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[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

You're putting a lot of faith into stuff that is just absolutely invisible at surface level.

This leads me to believe there is a TON of stuff going down behind the scenes during mail-in voting and also on election day.

But I've said this probably for over a year now...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pol...ff-voter-fraud

The above link... the only way Trump loses. Unfortunately it's rampant

It's possible this election is dragged out into December, many states being recounted / validated. Trump needs to make this happen, just to point out the widespread fraud.

Frank Luntz put it best. If Trump wins again, his profession should be declared obsolete. No one will trust the polls going fwd

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pol...ff-voter-fraud

The above link... the only way Trump loses. Unfortunately it's rampant

In October of 2016, Trump was all over the news saying the election was rigged. There was a whole series of tweets he made.

Then, he won.

And we heard no more about it.

How will this be different?

Is the idea that elections are not free and fair just something you do every time your poll numbers drop? What kind of evidence will be needed to back up such claims, for him, and anyone else who ever runs for office.......or is this just going to be the new normal?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by clicknow

In October of 2016, Trump was all over the news saying the election was rigged. There was a whole series of tweets he made.

Then, he won.

And we heard no more about it.

How will this be different?

He's gonna lose.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

In October of 2016, Trump was all over the news saying the election was rigged. There was a whole series of tweets he made.

Then, he won.

And we heard no more about it.

How will this be different?

You're wrong again.

He yapped on endlessly after the election about 3-5M illegal votes.

He created a commission to investigate the 2016 election.

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2...816bb35e82c18d

Of course, it didn't find any "real evidence"

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[QUOTE=jimmyb;2666720]My money and vote are already on Trump. I think Biden sunk the PA vote with his energy policy and can't see Biden carrying FLA. Trump will carry the south. Wisconsin gonna be close. Maine and NH going GOP and Biden is a weaker candidate than Hillary was. His flip flopping on defunding law enforcement, fracking ... Throw in questions regarding his son and his pay to play. Playing ball with the socialist/communist wing of his party. Voters aren't as stupid as Joe thinks.[/QUOTE

Poll taken after the debate shows little or no loss in Biden support in Pennsylvania. Biden up 10+ in Maine and NH, and you think they’re going GOP. The Hunter Biden thing is total BS and only people like you give it any credence. Joe doesn’t think voters are stupid, unless we’re talking about you. Then we think they are very stupid.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

He created a commission to investigate the 2016 election.

So what safeguards were created to go along with that, for 2020 elections?

If someone believes so strongly that elections are rigged, it seems like they would have spent some time creating a system in which that would not happen *again*.

What is the history of other candidates for office putting forth that elections are rigged, and doesn't that also denote lack of faith in our nation and it's process for elections?

Seems like a bad thing for someone who is the leader of a nation to be constantly putting out, basically saying that we live in a banana republic, esp. if you are the leader of that very republic you are calling a banana type?

These last 4 years I have heard nothing but "don't trust _______" memes, and basically then, we are not living in a developed nation with sophisticated laws and practices.

So what does that say about the leadership?

Don't trust the CDC
don't trust epidemiologists
don't trust the electoral process
don't trust the meda
don't trust WHO

.......don't trust dont' trust don't trust.

He also has said he doesn't trust U.S. Intelligence information. In 2017 he said he didn't trust computers or online communiciations.


Because what i'm hearing is that we are truly messed up if pretty much nothing is trustable, then, right? I know of no other leader in america who has torn down their own nation like this.

So the message is only trust Trump.....and what trump says?

Yet, we have witnessed so many things he says that aren't true.

In sept he said Trump said that CDC Director Robert Redfield had misspoken and that the U.S. could start distributing a vaccine starting in mid-October----I won't go on there's at least 50+ such things he has said that aren't trustable.

ANyway, I'd kinda like to have a POTUS who doesn't constantly undermine practically every person that works for him, and every basic organization that exists in our country.

Because what has happened as a result is that people acutally don't trust HIM. But then this lack of trust just engenders more lack of trust. There were Trump supporters who didn't even believe he had covid. They were saying stuff like It’s a hoax. There’s no pandemic. If he’s sick, then they planted it when they tested him....."

I"m sorry, but if this is the kind of thought processes Trump is encouraging, I want no part of it. It sounds like the Paranoic Hall in some psycho ward.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

So what safeguards were created to go along with that, for 2020 elections?

If someone believes so strongly that elections are rigged, it seems like they would have spent some time creating a system in which that would not happen *again*.

What is the history of other candidates for office putting forth that elections are rigged, and doesn't that also denote lack of faith in our nation and it's process for elections?

Seems like a bad thing for someone who is the leader of a nation to be constantly putting out, basically saying that we live in a banana republic, esp. if you are the leader of that very republic you are calling a banana type?

These last 4 years I have heard nothing but "don't trust _______" memes, and basically then, we are not living in a developed nation with sophisticated laws and practices.

So what does that say about the leadership?

Don't trust the CDC
don't trust epidemiologists
don't trust the electoral process
don't trust the meda
don't trust WHO

.......don't trust dont' trust don't trust.

He also has said he doesn't trust U.S. Intelligence information. In 2017 he said he didn't trust computers or online communiciations.


Because what i'm hearing is that we are truly messed up if pretty much nothing is trustable, then, right? I know of no other leader in america who has torn down their own nation like this.

So the message is only trust Trump.....and what trump says?

Yet, we have witnessed so many things he says that aren't true.

In sept he said Trump said that CDC Director Robert Redfield had misspoken and that the U.S. could start distributing a vaccine starting in mid-October----I won't go on there's at least 50+ such things he has said that aren't trustable.

ANyway, I'd kinda like to have a POTUS who doesn't constantly undermine practically every person that works for him, and every basic organization that exists in our country.

Because what has happened as a result is that people acutally don't trust HIM. But then this lack of trust just engenders more lack of trust. There were Trump supporters who didn't even believe he had covid. They were saying stuff like It’s a hoax. There’s no pandemic. If he’s sick, then they planted it when they tested him....."

I"m sorry, but if this is the kind of thought processes Trump is encouraging, I want no part of it. It sounds like the Paranoic Hall in some psycho ward.

WOW!

All you had to type was "thanks"

[hcap]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I think you can toss GA, FL, OH, TX, and IA into a blender a spit out whatever results you'd like.

FL is lean Biden but its Florida.

The rest look like coin flips.

I was just providing backup to your map from another source that does a thorough analysis of the electoral contest. A number of polling outfits are paying more attention to local polls than to the national as they did in 2016 calling it for Hillary.

The Economist, 270 Win, and of course 538. Versus maybe Rasmussen?

Then again Rasmussen has just about flipped as well

Trump 48%, Biden 47%

[jimmyb]

[quote=mostpost;2666781]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

My money and vote are already on Trump. I think Biden sunk the PA vote with his energy policy and can't see Biden carrying FLA. Trump will carry the south. Wisconsin gonna be close. Maine and NH going GOP and Biden is a weaker candidate than Hillary was. His flip flopping on defunding law enforcement, fracking ... Throw in questions regarding his son and his pay to play. Playing ball with the socialist/communist wing of his party. Voters aren't as stupid as Joe thinks.[/QUOTE

Poll taken after the debate shows little or no loss in Biden support in Pennsylvania. Biden up 10+ in Maine and NH, and you think they’re going GOP. The Hunter Biden thing is total BS and only people like you give it any credence. Joe doesn’t think voters are stupid, unless we’re talking about you. Then we think they are very stupid.

How do you spell Hillary.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

351 for Biden? What kind of stuff you been smoking.

Actually if all breaks right, Biden could easily surpass that number.

Biden 75,000,000 votes and 416 electoral votes.

Allan

[tucker6]

Allan, does it seem to you that the election has been breaking for Biden the last week?

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Actually if all breaks right, Biden could easily surpass that number.

Biden 75,000,000 votes and 416 electoral votes.

Allan

It's gotta be the angel dust.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

It's gotta be the angel dust.

Joe will be blown out of the park, angel dust or not.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Allan, does it seem to you that the election has been breaking for Biden the last week?

It hasn't moved and he's up 9-10ish.

The only state currently on the move is Georgia and it's not going Trump's direction.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Actually if all breaks right, Biden could easily surpass that number.

Biden 75,000,000 votes and 416 electoral votes.

Allan

This would basically be a Biden sweep of the "new" tossups i discussed.

Just add TX and OH and there ya go.

I feel like TX is a more likely flip than Ohio personnally.