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06-02-2020, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Profesor
Whatever needle Bob BFrt puts into these horses to makes them run so fast sure doesn't do anything to enhance their long-term health.
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This!
He ran a few good races (like most Baffert horses).
Silver Charm (over 20yrs ago) and Game On Dude had long careers, but who else?
I'm sure I'm missing some others but they aren't coming to mind
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06-02-2020, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
This!
He ran a few good races (like most Baffert horses).
Silver Charm (over 20yrs ago) and Game On Dude had long careers, but who else?
I'm sure I'm missing some others but they aren't coming to mind
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Not to say that all of these ran a bunch, but they did run from 4 years and beyond..
Letthebighossroll
Gundaghia
Thirty Slews
Congaree
Hoppertunity
Indian Blessing
Captain Steve
Tough Tiz's Sis
Preachinatthebar
Sky Kingdom
Secret Circle
Vale Dori
Cat Burgler
Commitisize
Isitingood
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06-02-2020, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
Not to say that all of these ran a bunch, but they did run from 4 years and beyond..
Letthebighossroll
Gundaghia
Thirty Slews
Congaree
Hoppertunity
Indian Blessing
Captain Steve
Tough Tiz's Sis
Preachinatthebar
Sky Kingdom
Secret Circle
Vale Dori
Cat Burgler
Commitisize
Isitingood
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and many more would have if not for lucrative stallion deals.
What I was educated today on for the first time after an earlier post is that Baffert horses tend to die young once they retire...did not know what.
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06-02-2020, 07:33 PM
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PA Steward
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Profesor
Whatever needle Bob BFrt puts into these horses to makes them run so fast sure doesn't do anything to enhance their long-term health.
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06-02-2020, 09:32 PM
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I'm sorry Arrogate had to suffer for three or four days. The article I read made it sound pretty bad.
Then again, he wasn't doing the Thoroughbred breed any favors by being one of those elite
fragile Unbridled's Song stallions either.
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06-02-2020, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
Victor Espinoza's ride on California Chrome that day was more valuable to Bob Baffert than any of his rides on American Pharoah.
Worse ride than Kent D. on Premium Tap in the Dubai World Cup in 2007.
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I thought I was the only one that hated Espinoza’s ride that day. CC’s one advantage was his speed, especially on the turns. IMO he waited too long to to ask and that allowed Arrogate to get into the race. He really only got beat a neck or so giving a few pounds. He eased the last stride or two once passed.
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06-02-2020, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
I've never understood the World Cup performance ranking as an all-time effort. He was bothered and pinched at the break, losing about a length but still managed to be in stride very quickly.
Ferdinand and especially Alysheba had much more trouble at the start in their respective Kentucky Derby victories.
The Travers, though, that was something.
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Wow, two for two agreements on minority opinions.
IMO the track that day was clearly favoring late outside moves more than the typical day. Gun Runner was never comfortable on wet tracks like that nor was he the same horse at that stage as he was later on. It was a huge effort, but it got overblown because of the start.
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06-03-2020, 05:56 AM
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I was accused of being a fan of Arrogate on this site.
I'm happy to say I was.
RIP Pegasus.
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06-03-2020, 07:33 AM
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Who has a higher life expectancy, BB horses or pro wrestlers?
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06-03-2020, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by depalma113
I was accused of being a fan of Arrogate on this site.
I'm happy to say I was.
RIP Pegasus.
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06-03-2020, 09:03 AM
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I suppose it's the short careers of modern horses that cause this, but I can't remember too many champions dying where most of the comments here are examining how he really wasn't that good because he "didn't beat anybody" in winning a $10 million race, breaking down the possible outside bias to the track in one of his big wins (!), that his trainer drugs and kills horses, and how the horse was apparently damaging the breed as a stallion.
Arrogate might not have been an immortal talent, but he deserves better than that.
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06-03-2020, 09:29 AM
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For some of us, these are the good old days. Arrogate stands as one of the first horse superstars I took notice of. Classiest horse ever if you look at earnings per start, right?
This animal didn’t volunteer to run, and maybe die, for our pleasure and the chance to make some money. Some of the comments on here are startling in their callousness and I know who I won’t be inviting to my funeral.
RIP Arrogate
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06-03-2020, 09:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
I suppose it's the short careers of modern horses that cause this, but I can't remember too many champions dying where most of the comments here are examining how he really wasn't that good because he "didn't beat anybody" in winning a $10 million race, breaking down the possible outside bias to the track in one of his big wins (!), that his trainer drugs and kills horses, and how the horse was apparently damaging the breed as a stallion.
Arrogate might not have been an immortal talent, but he deserves better than that.
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I don't think reflecting on a horse's career is a bad thing even if some of the hyperbole or even mythology surrounding said horse is tempered as a result.
Some say the unexamined life is not worth living and couple of pages of variations on "Tragedy...RIP" would be more of a disservice to the horse's memory in my opinion.
Note, no one said the horse "wasn't that good" by the way.
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06-03-2020, 09:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spalding No!
I don't think reflecting on a horse's career is a bad thing even if some of the hyperbole or even mythology surrounding said horse is tempered as a result.
Some say the unexamined life is not worth living and couple of pages of variations on "Tragedy...RIP" would be more of a disservice to the horse's memory in my opinion.
Note, no one said the horse "wasn't that good" by the way.
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I was one of the horse's staunchest critics- basically a four race career!- but on his best day, he was scary good. You can compare those 4 races to runs of 4 races by all time great horses.
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06-03-2020, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
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They were both awesome performances, but I'm of the opinion that Baffert is a juicer. I feel bad for the horse, though, short life.
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