Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 06-15-2022, 06:36 PM   #1
westernmassbob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 275
Tracks closing due to heat....there has to be a better idea.

Iíve seen this happen at Saratoga as well. Has any track considered changing starting post time to early morning on these predicted hot days ? It seems like a pretty easy solution. The temperatures usually donít get dangerous until early afternoon. Huge loss to shut down for the day for all connections involved.
westernmassbob is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 06:46 PM   #2
pandy
Registered User
 
pandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA.
Posts: 7,275
I really don't know what the temps were with this week's closings, but some of the days I've seen tracks shut down had temps in the mid 90's, with high humidity, but I still don't understand why they would not race. I've been to Saratoga many times in similar weather and I never saw any problem with any of the horses. Of course, not every horse was on lasix years ago, which might complicate things.

Horses basically jog around the track a few times and race for 90 seconds. I don't understand how a powerful animal like a racehorse can be threatened by running for 90 seconds on a 95 degree summer day, which is just normal summer weather. And it's not like there's no water around. If an athlete is well hydrated, performing for 90 seconds shouldn't be an issue. If the horse was out in a field it might run more than that.

I think it's just to ward off animal rights criticism.
pandy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 06:59 PM   #3
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,561
Saratoga has closed due to heat twice in the last 16 years.

Clearly this is a major issue. Westernmassbob, on the case again!!
the little guy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 07:22 PM   #4
westernmassbob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy View Post
Saratoga has closed due to heat twice in the last 16 years.

Clearly this is a major issue. Westernmassbob, on the case again!!
I certainly didnít say anything about it being a major issue. What is an issue is that 1 days loss of purse money or work for all the connections can be devastating. Probably more so for those barn workers etc. I feel there can be alternatives like adding racing dates or changing the post time like i suggested. Instead of just thinking of yourself all the time TLG, why not offer up some suggestions ? You are quick to critique everyone on here but offer no suggestions or ways to make things better. I donít know if your truly a narcissist but you definitely come across one on here.
westernmassbob is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 07:31 PM   #5
westernmassbob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by pandy View Post
I really don't know what the temps were with this week's closings, but some of the days I've seen tracks shut down had temps in the mid 90's, with high humidity, but I still don't understand why they would not race. I've been to Saratoga many times in similar weather and I never saw any problem with any of the horses. Of course, not every horse was on lasix years ago, which might complicate things.

Horses basically jog around the track a few times and race for 90 seconds. I don't understand how a powerful animal like a racehorse can be threatened by running for 90 seconds on a 95 degree summer day, which is just normal summer weather. And it's not like there's no water around. If an athlete is well hydrated, performing for 90 seconds shouldn't be an issue. If the horse was out in a field it might run more than that.

I think it's just to ward off animal rights criticism.
Or maybe human rights criticism? Heck the jockeys are basically racing dehydrated on a normal day....I can only imagine the effect the high heat index has on them. In any event racing in extreme temperatures isnít safe for man or animal.
westernmassbob is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 07:43 PM   #6
judehaz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 35
I think tracks canceling due to heat is the right decision, not for PR reasons, but to actually protect the human and equine athletes - and for that matter, spectators, especially at the bigger venues!

Right now in Chester, WV, it's 90 degrees and the real feel is 99 - at 7:40 p.m.! These are not conditions that horses at Mountaineer are at all used to being in, much less racing in. In this track's case, it was right to cancel. There was no other time the track could have possibly rescheduled to.

Regarding NYRA, I'll continue to be a defender of them here. Are they perfect? No, but no organization is, and I believe they do it better than most.

Obviously, no track wants to cancel a card for any reason. They're voluntarily choosing to forego profits that day.

I agree these cancelations, just like cancelations due to lack of entries, can be especially hard on the horsemen and horsewomen, particularly backstretch workers. The solution is not to continue to run in dangerous conditions, but rather for tracks and others to offer ancillary support services like what Saratoga BEST does.
judehaz is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 07:50 PM   #7
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 18,497
You should have been at MTH for Maximum Security's Haskell in 2019. I left for awhile because I couldn't take it anymore and then went back later after freshening up. It was brutal.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 07:55 PM   #8
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 77,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by westernmassbob View Post
I certainly didnít say anything about it being a major issue. What is an issue is that 1 days loss of purse money or work for all the connections can be devastating. Probably more so for those barn workers etc. I feel there can be alternatives like adding racing dates or changing the post time like i suggested. Instead of just thinking of yourself all the time TLG, why not offer up some suggestions ? You are quick to critique everyone on here but offer no suggestions or ways to make things better. I donít know if your truly a narcissist but you definitely come across one on here.
Why would you need to think hard about something that hardly ever happens?
__________________
@paceadvantage | Support the site and become a today!
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:03 PM   #9
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,561
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage View Post
Why would you need to think hard about something that hardly ever happens?
I enjoyed his completely lame cheap shots directed at me. At least he was honest for once. Moronic, but for him....honest.
the little guy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:09 PM   #10
Bustin Stones
Registered User
 
Bustin Stones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 283
I was always curious why we have day racing during non winter months. More customers are available in the evening. The evening air is kinder to the animals. Maybe it harkens back to the days of day baseball due to lack of lights.
Bustin Stones is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:13 PM   #11
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,561
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bustin Stones View Post
I was always curious why we have day racing during non winter months. More customers are available in the evening. The evening air is kinder to the animals. Maybe it harkens back to the days of day baseball due to lack of lights.
Night racing does very minimal handle.
the little guy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:13 PM   #12
westernmassbob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy View Post
I enjoyed his completely lame cheap shots directed at me. At least he was honest for once. Moronic, but for him....honest.
Gaslighting......another sign of being a narcissist.
westernmassbob is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:17 PM   #13
westernmassbob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 275
ďThe solution is not to continue to run in dangerous conditions, but rather for tracks and others to offer ancillary support services like what Saratoga BEST does.Ē

Iím a very big supporter of the Saratoga BEST program which is available at their other tracks as well. It would be nice if there was financial burden relief assistance incorporated into that program. Maybe there is at some tracks...just havenít heard of any. I would support them as well.
westernmassbob is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:35 PM   #14
woodbinepmi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, La
Posts: 1,529
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy View Post
Night racing does very minimal handle.
And the horseman hate it
__________________
@ShaTinRacing
woodbinepmi is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-15-2022, 08:39 PM   #15
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,561
Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbinepmi View Post
And the horseman hate it
Yeah, that too:-)

Can't really blame them.
the little guy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2022 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.