Charlottesville too much freedom

[Show Me the Wire]

Thask asked if there is too much freedom. Yes, there is too much freedom when people ignore the obligation to exercise any Constitutional right responsibly.

The basic facts. People have the right to assemble to express their opinions. Only one of the two groups, that clashed, had the legally protected right to be present that day and at that place. The group who followed procedures to obtain the permit to hold a rally.

Another organized group, without a permit, assembled possessing items which could be used as weapons and defensive paraphernalia, with the purpose to oppose the legally permitted rally. A group, without a permit, assembling with weapons, defensive devices and dressed for some sort of physical violence is a mob. A mob intending to do violence against others is not a responsible exercising of Constitutional rights. Yet this mob formed to perform physical violence is being treated as the victims and morally superior.

Complete b.s. They are a mob. A mob bent on committing unnecessary violence. Any time a mob is allowed to commit unnecessary violence, that is too much freedom.

The mayor and the local police department are at fault, for the violence. The police, did not do their job. As soon as the law enforcement superiors observed the mob, the non-permitted mob, with weapons, defensive devices and the type of dressing, law enforcement should have dispersed the mob.

Law enforcement's excuse was they were outgunned. Out gunned by a mob wanting to engage in violence against demonstrators granted a permit to hold the rally. If that is true, the mayor and police officials are inept and should be called out as such.

I purposely stripped out the ideologies of the two groups, so the objective facts can demonstrate the differences between too much freedom and responsible use of freedom.

We cannot legitimize violence or protect mob violence as a legitimate exercise of the Constitutional right to disagree with another's opinions, by claiming the moral high ground satisfies the requirement to exercise a right responsibly. Allowing such is too much freedom.

[lamboguy]

if you really want to know the real culprit, its society in general, all of society. instead of working things out together we oppose with 2 different diabolical sides, completely opposite one another.

i truly believe this is a result of to many drugs, legal and illegal along with alcohol entering the blood streams of individuals. it brings about irrational behavior.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

if you really want to know the real culprit, its society in general, all of society. instead of working things out together we oppose with 2 different diabolical sides, completely opposite one another.

i truly believe this is a result of to many drugs, legal and illegal along with alcohol entering the blood streams of individuals. it brings about irrational behavior.

True. The reality is relativism is the problem. Your truth is yours and my truth is mine. If we both have our own truth there is no truth between us. Therefore, there is no objective standard in exercising our rights.

If my truth is I am morally superior and the morally superior truth should be imposed on others, it is justifiable for me to use physical force or violence to implement my beliefs.

As long as our society buys into relativism we cannot discuss or work out things between us, because by definition there is no truth between us.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

They are a mob. A mob bent on committing unnecessary violence. Any time a mob is allowed to commit unnecessary violence, that is too much freedom.

Your definition of freedom is breaking the law and getting away with it?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Your definition of freedom is breaking the law and getting away with it?

Too much freedom equals anarchy. The point is freedom does not allow anyone to break the law. The group who broke the law and are being let off the hook by the liberals and the news media have too much freedom. Freedom from the laws because of a perceived moral high ground. Got it?

[woodtoo]

I got it and you laid it out in plain English.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

I got it and you laid it out in plain English.

Thank you

[davew]

the antif(irst)a(mendment) should be added to the domestic terrorist list

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Thask asked if there is too much freedom. Yes, there is too much freedom when people ignore the obligation to exercise any Constitutional right responsibly.

SMTW, Your post is admirable but it's all about "timing". You waited too long to start a response thread to Thask's question posed in the thread that was shut down.....The momentum his question started is long gone, as well as Gus himself.

[Inner Dirt]

My take is if the counter protestors ignore the KKK and the like their voice and numbers will diminish. They crave attention and use it as a recruiting tool. If the counter protestors just let them make fools of themselves and there is no one there except the Klan and police you will get 5% of the news coverage that melee in Charlottesville got. Without their dumb asses in bed sheets parading all over the TV and internet most people will forget they exist, and consider them a thing of the past.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Too much freedom equals anarchy.

Oops, it looks like I should have consulted my copy of the 1984 dictionary.

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Oops, it looks like I should have consulted my copy of the 1984 dictionary.

You only needed to consult a current dictionary.

an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil
"conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy"
absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

[emphasis added]

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

SMTW, Your post is admirable but it's all about "timing". You waited too long to start a response thread to Thask's question posed in the thread that was shut down.....The momentum his question started is long gone, as well as Gus himself.

Gus is gone? Taking another leave?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Gus is gone? Taking another leave?

Might be permanent this time, we'll see.....Vegas is more appealing to the full use of his time, now that he's returned. Let's see how long it takes him to start missing PA Nation.....Over/Under- 30 days?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Might be permanent this time, we'll see.....Vegas is more appealing to the full use of his time, now that he's returned. Let's see how long it takes him to start missing PA Nation.....Over/Under- 30 days?

Thask was completely mistaken about his interpretation of that thread being closed. I explained it to him, but he either didn't read it or didn't want to hear it.

I've done my part. So be it.