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Old 07-25-2018, 06:35 PM   #61
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How will completely free trade address the trade deficit?

Start googling and let me know what you find.

I found that the US trade deficit with the EU is about $150 billion a year.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:39 PM   #62
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I found that the US trade deficit with the EU is about $150 billion a year.
This deficit will now go down.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:41 PM   #63
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This deficit will now go down.
Source?

Free trade deals with Mexico and Canada certainly haven't done that. Opposite in fact.
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Thought so...

Sure was a side effect to free trade with your country.
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This whole thing about giving the farmers money was a negotiating tactic on Trumps part. He never expected people in his own party to undermine his tactics but they did.


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Old 07-26-2018, 01:54 AM   #68
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Point being it is nothing new.
I got no problem with it.
Do you and elysian have some sort of Ben Gazara fan fest going on. Your meme. His avatar. WTF?
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:20 AM   #69
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There is a whole thread of you bashing unfettered free trade and its link to deficits.

NOW you want to come to my side of the aisle? Because Trump suddenly has?

Hilarious.
You continue to speak in circles ... it's the juvenile way you talk solely because you want to claim some credit for those patently idiotic posts of yours.

... my side of the aisle... because Trump suddenly has ...

I was the one that put the words 'free' and 'fair' in quotes when mentioning trade for years -- before Trump even decided to run. I did so because our trade deals weren't either fair or free. I laid blame mostly where it belonged: at the GOP, your kind of Republicans who sold out the American worker to the Fortune 500 globalists.

The 'free' trade you say you and clocker have been talking about for 50 pages was nothing more a Trump bashing exercise. Both you guys never talked about the 60,000 factories closings, the millions of job losses, the hundreds of billions in deficits. You never even mentioned the wide gaps in the those tariffs in place.

Finally, Juncker's first words in the press conference yesterday were -- 'I came to the White House today to get a deal, and I have a deal.'
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Old 07-26-2018, 07:34 AM   #70
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This whole thing about giving the farmers money was a negotiating tactic on Trumps part. He never expected people in his own party to undermine his tactics but they did.

https://twitter.com/racetrackandy/st...53208465420288

https://twitter.com/racetrackandy/st...53439273689088
They did because its an insane move.

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Old 07-26-2018, 07:37 AM   #71
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You continue to speak in circles ... it's the juvenile way you talk solely because you want to claim some credit for those patently idiotic posts of yours.

... my side of the aisle... because Trump suddenly has ...

I was the one that put the words 'free' and 'fair' in quotes when mentioning trade for years -- before Trump even decided to run. I did so because our trade deals weren't either fair or free. I laid blame mostly where it belonged: at the GOP, your kind of Republicans who sold out the American worker to the Fortune 500 globalists.

The 'free' trade you say you and clocker have been talking about for 50 pages was nothing more a Trump bashing exercise. Both you guys never talked about the 60,000 factories closings, the millions of job losses, the hundreds of billions in deficits. You never even mentioned the wide gaps in the those tariffs in place.

Finally, Juncker's first words in the press conference yesterday were -- 'I came to the White House today to get a deal, and I have a deal.'
I've already commented on this. Its either:

1) The Trump way of announcing a victory without actually accomplishing anything and moving on. Or...

2) It sure sounded like he agreed to work on the Obama Era trade deal TTiP which Europe has always been open to. NAFTA for Europe.

I like 2 because I like free trade. Hopefully that's the case. It will do nothing to the trade deficit though or a multitude of other complaints raised by the folks here.

If it is 2 I don't understand why any of this was necessary in the first place. Europe was already willing to discuss TTiP.

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I heard the deficit will go down, too.

"The deficit will go down."
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:36 AM   #73
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Protective tariffs are hardly a new thing. Presidents have been using them and failing for a hundred years, the most recent being George W. Bush's steel tariffs.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Its even funnier they don't have billions to "give away". So, get in a trade war with China...……...then borrow from China to pay the farmers. So, its either borrow the money or print more. Oh, what a strategy...….

Fools gold, be the Stock Market...….like that never fails either......


History? They forget what happened just 10 years ago!
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Its even funnier they don't have billions to "give away". So, get in a trade war with China...……...then borrow from China to pay the farmers. So, its either borrow the money or print more. Oh, what a strategy...….

We have to get the money from China, because it was our money to start with, and they robbed it from us.


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Tariffs are the greatest! Either a country which has treated the United States unfairly on Trade negotiates a fair deal, or it gets hit with Tariffs. It’s as simple as that - and everybody’s talking! Remember, we are the “piggy bank” that’s being robbed. All will be Great!
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:44 PM   #75
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Trumps explains the evils of free trade.

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"Our trade deficit ballooned to $817 billion," Donald Trump said during a speech to steelworkers in Granite City, Illinois, yesterday. "Think of that. We lost $817 billion a year over the last number of years in trade. In other words, if we didn't trade, we'd save a hell of a lot of money."
And we could have used the money to buy similar American-made products for less and come out ahead, right?


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