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11-02-2014, 01:08 AM
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Love the sour grapes. Waaaa he was mauled waaaa . He shoulda straped a set on and pushed thru. One will go down as a Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner. The other will not. Shared Belief really needed that Classic win to even be able to make an argument.
There is no argument. Its over. chrome over Rome. Done.
HOPE 2015 WE SEE THAT TRIPLE CROWN.
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You must be relishing the fact that Chrome had every opportunity to get up but couldn't...maybe he needs Viagra?
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11-02-2014, 01:15 AM
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an easily recognized fact.....there is not one discernible horse of the year, this year.
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11-02-2014, 08:16 AM
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an easily recognized fact.....there is not one discernible horse of the year, this year.
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California Chrome is as much of a lock to win horse of the year as it was hed win the Derby
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11-02-2014, 08:19 AM
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Even though Main Sequence is my top choice for HOY, Bayern has a better chance of getting it than Cal Chrome does.
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11-02-2014, 08:38 AM
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Main Sequence? C'mon guys.
As for HOY, it'll be decided in the Clark. I expect Bayern and CC to show up there, and maybe SB if he's ok.
This thread title is ridiculous. I'm glad that CC ran a really good race - thought he was being bashed and underestimated coming into this race. But to say this race was proof that he is better than SB? Ridiculous. The topic starter should feel embarrassed.
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11-02-2014, 08:42 AM
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You must be relishing the fact that Chrome had every opportunity to get up but couldn't...maybe he needs Viagra?
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? Odd comment.
The Shermans should be congratulated for the performance that we saw yesterday. Their horse was fit as a fiddle.
It looked to me like CC was the one that still had the Viagra at the end of the race. Just ran out of ground, not energy. After going wide both turns and pulling away from the purported monster gelding that finished in his dust.
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11-02-2014, 08:51 AM
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Main Sequence? C'mon guys.
As for HOY, it'll be decided in the Clark. I expect Bayern and CC to show up there, and maybe SB if he's ok.
This thread title is ridiculous. I'm glad that CC ran a really good race - thought he was being bashed and underestimated coming into this race. But to say this race was proof that he is better than SB? Ridiculous. The topic starter should feel embarrassed.
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was talking more about accomplishments. for any one to make an argument that shared belief is a better horse then California Chrome he needed to win the Classic... he failed to do so. argument over. lets all move on now. for me its time to start to think about the triple crown trail 2015... im much more a triple crown fan and all the preps then the breeders cup.... im just glad Chrome ran a solid race and jim romes horse did not win the race.
you still wanna say SB is a better horse then CC? Go ahead but you have no iron clad proof other then your own opinion which dont hold up for horse of the year.... Its a stupid argument to make maybe its just me because I am such a triple crown fan but when you win the Kentucky Derby thats worth more then any other race in that year and is not just 1 grade 1 victory.. Just my opinion but the Kentucky Derby is the premier race for me and kinda been that way for over 140 years, no?
When you think horse of the year isnt the award more for the horse that was the best horse for the sport in that year? Kind of like an MVP award in other sports not necessarily the best player but the most valuable player to the sport.... Wasnt California Chrome this years most news worthy horse and brought the most attention to horse racing? For me I also think his achievements are far greater then the other horses but i guess thats based on how important one views winning the Kentucky Derby...
If any horse was gonna give CC a run for his money for HOY it would be Bayern. Those are the top 2 horses of 2014. Bayern is a really good horse
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11-02-2014, 09:09 AM
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was talking more about accomplishments. for any one to make an argument that shared belief is a better horse then California Chrome he needed to win the Classic... he failed to do so. argument over. lets all move on now. for me its time to start to think about the triple crown trail 2015... im much more a triple crown fan and all the preps then the breeders cup.... im just glad Chrome ran a solid race and jim romes horse did not win the race.
you still wanna say SB is a better horse then CC? Go ahead but you have no iron clad proof other then your own opinion which dont hold up for horse of the year.... Its a stupid argument to make maybe its just me because I am such a triple crown fan but when you win the Kentucky Derby thats worth more then any other race in that year and is not just 1 grade 1 victory.. Just my opinion but the Kentucky Derby is the premier race for me and kinda been that way for over 140 years, no?
When you think horse of the year isnt the award more for the horse that was the best horse for the sport in that year? Kind of like an MVP award in other sports not necessarily the best player but the most valuable player to the sport.... Wasnt California Chrome this years most news worthy horse and brought the most attention to horse racing? For me I also think his achievements are far greater then the other horses but i guess thats based on how important one views winning the Kentucky Derby...
If any horse was gonna give CC a run for his money for HOY it would be Bayern. Those are the top 2 horses of 2014. Bayern is a really good horse
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Based on this logic, we should name the Ky Derby winner Horse of the Year every year....because that's the only name that any casual racing fan knows...who won the Derby.
Yes, Cali Chrome beat Shared Belief yesterday, but he also had dead frickin' aim the length of the stretch and couldn't get the top two.
He got his traffic free trip at a distance we all know he loves over a track he also loves and didn't get it done, PERIOD.
That's no HOY in my book.
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11-02-2014, 09:12 AM
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Based on this logic, we should name the Ky Derby winner Horse of the Year every year....because that's the only name that any casual racing fan knows...who won the Derby.
Yes, Cali Chrome beat Shared Belief yesterday, but he also had dead frickin' aim the length of the stretch and couldn't get the top two.
He got his traffic free trip at a distance we all know he loves over a track he also loves and didn't get it done, PERIOD.
That's no HOY in my book.
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But he couldn't pass because of the obvious speed bias that made that track a joke yesterday. Give him a break....  
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11-02-2014, 09:19 AM
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Based on this logic, we should name the Ky Derby winner Horse of the Year every year....because that's the only name that any casual racing fan knows...who won the Derby.
Yes, Cali Chrome beat Shared Belief yesterday, but he also had dead frickin' aim the length of the stretch and couldn't get the top two.
He got his traffic free trip at a distance we all know he loves over a track he also loves and didn't get it done, PERIOD.
That's no HOY in my book.
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I don't know what is wrong with your eyesight. Take a look at the replay. CC stalled for a bit coming out the turn and yielded some ground. It looked like Shared Belief was poised to go by him for third place money or even more. The CC dug in. During the entire stretch run, he was running better than anyone else on the track. He put in every bit of a gritty performance that Will Take Charge did last year, when they fawned all over it.
That set of second-tier trainers should be getting raves for the work they did on a horse coming back from a layoff. Instead of sophomoric digs.
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11-02-2014, 09:58 AM
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whoever thinks that CC is a better horse than SB needs to get a reality check. They only ran against each other once and SB got a terrible trip and still ran 4th. SB never ran in the Triple Crown races so how can you say CC is better than SB?
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11-02-2014, 10:15 AM
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Bayern is probably going to get 3YO Of The Year and HOTY, but IMO he's not as good as CA Chrome. In my eyes CC is clearly the better horse.
Shared Belief is a little more complicated because his synthetic form may be a hair better than his dirt form, but he didn't get a fair shot yesterday. So I don't know. I would take SB over Bayern also.....unless Bayern gets another loose lead on a biased track....which has been his ticket to the title.
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11-02-2014, 10:27 AM
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whoever thinks that CC is a better horse than SB needs to get a reality check. They only ran against each other once and SB got a terrible trip and still ran 4th. SB never ran in the Triple Crown races so how can you say CC is better than SB?
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you are as good as your resume and its not even close. Being the Kentucky derby winner is worth a few solid grade 1 wins. trip or whatever you are what your resume says you are.
here is a perfect example:
2009 NFC Championship game Vikings at Saints. The Vikings fumbled 6 times and lost by a FG in overtime after numerous obvious bad calls, so bad its almost like the game was fixed http://youtu.be/CRd5jkJ1dEo?t=1m45s On that day the Vikings kicked the snot out of the Saints in every statistical catagory. If they dont fumble 6 times they win by at least 3 TDs and the bad calls in overtime never matter. But in the end the Saints won and went on to win the Super Bowl. Nobody will tell you the Vikings are the best team that year.
Its the same shit here, whatever happened, bad trip, being hurt and missing the triple crown, etc - it happened and there is a horse named California Chrome who just accomplished more. It is what it is and what it is is undebatable.
When we are all dead and gone and someone goes back and looks at history they are gonna say wow that California Chrome was a damn good horse in 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXayKpVj5ug
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11-02-2014, 10:31 AM
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California Chrome lost this race.
LOST... hello... anybody home?
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11-02-2014, 10:42 AM
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I still get a kick out of the commentor who wrote off CC by claiming he was the 12 yo with a moustache beating more immature colts early in the spring .... and all of the wise heads that nodded along.
I had my own pre-race doubts about him coming back after a long injury-induced layoff, and losing sharpness and maybe losing his interest in racing. But he pretty much silenced them too. Now I am hoping that this class will keep on racing intact for awhile more. It would be a blast.
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