Teachers Union clause....non Christian's first!

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?

Let's see Lincoln was 97.7% white in 1970 (guessing you graduated around that time frame). Moreover, you've indicated you grew up in a farming community, presumably more rural (probably even more white). Why do you make posts like these?

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Jason, you comment is typical of an outside looking in viewpoint that stands aside waiting for an "I told you so" moment. It's a very left wing thing to do. If this same contract had denied the promotion to a Muslim, Jew or Buddhist, do you think it would have passed on review? I'm sure you would be up in arms for that obvious bias huh?

Yet you choose to focus on the racial portion only. You choose to pull yourself outside your "skin" literally, and take a jab at "white people" keep your liberal white guilt to yourself. It's already ****ed the country for the next 20 years. It does no good and only makes you look good amongst your brethren who share it.

Get back in your liberal bubble and continue to blame the worlds wrongs on the very people who push this country along every day. It's good for you. If it works for you, fine. I don't think you're a bad guy Jason, but if you want to pop off with that kind of comment, expect a little throwback from the other side.

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I think I literally disagree with you on almost every racial/religious/social thing that's discussed here. We just live in two totally different worlds and have had different experiences that lead to different viewpoints. Funny thing is I'm not even a liberal. I usually vote conservative. I didn't vote for Barry in either election.

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market. It's easy to say that from a position of privilege. I mean we're never going to agree on any issues of race because I think issues come from one way, you think they come from another.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I am pretty sure that my old high school has never had any teacher who was not white. I am also pretty sure they aren't alone in that regard. Where is your outrage at those all white teacher school systems?

Where is your outrage over Grambling?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market.

IMO the playing field is not leveled through a free market in the short term, but it is in the long term.

If there are two competing businesses and one hires based entirely on merit and the other based partially upon personal prejudices, quotas, racism, sexual preference etc.. it's just a matter if time before the first one buries the second.

What makes this job opening so unappealing is that it's not some private individual or organization (that IMHO should have a right to be a scumbag and then pay the price long term). It's for a teacher's job most likely in a public school.

IMO there's a world of difference between this kind of thing when it's private vs. public discrimination.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

I'm fine with throwback from the "other side"

I think I literally disagree with you on almost every racial/religious/social thing that's discussed here. We just live in two totally different worlds and have had different experiences that lead to different viewpoints. Funny thing is I'm not even a liberal. I usually vote conservative. I didn't vote for Barry in either election.

I just think that you are actually the one who is living in a bubble thinking that the playing fields are level through just the free market. It's easy to say that from a position of privilege. I mean we're never going to agree on any issues of race because I think issues come from one way, you think they come from another.

point taken. Last night at midnight I was counseling and discussing the move to management in business with an employee of my wife. He is newly promoted to management. We were discussing the steady climb that he undertook from low level jobs and how he had changed his attitude and took a new approach. I won't go into details. It's minutiae, but I mention it for context.

Btw, the clothes he was wearing, to match the management requirement for apparel, I bought for him. He is in his late 30's and I am working hard to help him be successful. Just like a couple of hundred young people we have mentored over the years. Of all races and "orientations" If you call that coming from a place of privilege. so be it. But it's real. And my interpretation of the free market is one that is real. The free market responds to one thing. Effort and dedication.

The wife and I started with nothing. We give back. We are by no means privileged. I don't know where you get that from?

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Let's see Lincoln was 97.7% white in 1970 (guessing you graduated around that time frame). Moreover, you've indicated you grew up in a farming community, presumably more rural (probably even more white). Why do you make posts like these?

An all white farming community, which all the more reason to bring in teachers of color. The people there need to be expose to people of color. You should hear how they talk about Blacks and Mexicans. It not their fault. They have never been exposed to them. I make post like this because there is far more of problem of racism by Whites than there is to Whites. But that doesn't fit into the conservative monologue, does it?

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Tom

Where is your outrage over Grambling?

What about Grambling?

[JustRalph]

Goren, skip "To Sir with Love" the next time it's on.........

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Goren, skip "To Sir with Love" the next time it's on.........

You are slipping if that is the best you can come with! Actually that movie sucked though the theme song wasn't too bad.

[TJDave]

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by TJDave

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

pretty rough standard there Dave...........

how bout we apply the same to other religions? I assume you would approve of that too........?

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

pretty rough standard there Dave...........

how bout we apply the same to other religions? I assume you would approve of that too........?

I do. Adults who believe in fairy tales should not be teaching children.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I make post like this because there is far more of problem of racism by Whites than there is to Whites.

Well, I believe that's bullshit. I'd bet my life there's a far higher percentage of racist blacks than there are whites. Also, the media doesn't give jack-shit about racist blacks, but pounce on any high profile cases involving racist whites. Yeah, there's a race problem alright, but blacks are pulling their share of the blame.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by TJDave

No one professing belief in the bible creation story should be credentialed to teach in a public school.

No one that wants an educated child that will be safe and that can tell the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, and that can objectively understand that some life choices produce superior results than others should send their child anywhere near a public school. So it's kind of a push. No chance I'd send a child of mine to a public school. If I could't afford a private school or they were blessed enough to get in, I'd home school. There aren't many universities I'd send a child of mine to either.

[classhandicapper]

There's a cultural war going on and the side that guarantees that we will continue down the path of becoming a social and economic cesspool is winning.

I continue to hope that enough people in this country come to their senses and realize we need an amicable divorce.