TIMEFORM PPS

[pandy]

Originally Posted by Valuist

Got a question for CJ. I happen to see a new notation in the Timeform PPs. Underneath where the distance is shown in a running line, and next to the track condition, there's a number. Is this a ranking of the race pace, or final time?

This is something new, the number rates the speed of the track surface.

https://timeformusblog.com/2019/01/2...ition-ratings/

[cj]

Originally Posted by pandy

This is something new, the number rates the speed of the track surface.

https://timeformusblog.com/2019/01/2...ition-ratings/

Yep, started a thread here at PA too:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=150050

[Valuist]

OK, so one other question. Is this strictly about the surface (basically a track variant), or is it how the results played out (i.e.; how speed favoring the track was)? A track producing very quick times doesn't necessarily have to favor early speed.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Valuist

OK, so one other question. Is this strictly about the surface (basically a track variant), or is it how the results played out (i.e.; how speed favoring the track was)? A track producing very quick times doesn't necessarily have to favor early speed.

No, certainly not. This isn't really about bias but the surface itself and if horses prefer deeper, slower tracks or faster, firmer ones.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by cj

No, certainly not. This isn't really about bias but the surface itself and if horses prefer deeper, slower tracks or faster, firmer ones.

OK, thanks for the clarification.

[hracingplyr]

So let's see in a horse's pp's he shows he runs very well on a track labeled fast 7 or 8 hoe do u know in the horses next race if the track is going to be labeled a fast 7 or 8? you don't, so what's the value of having these numbers? Not being sarcastic here CJ, just a question.


bob

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by hracingplyr

So let's see in a horse's pp's he shows he runs very well on a track labeled fast 7 or 8 hoe do u know in the horses next race if the track is going to be labeled a fast 7 or 8? you don't, so what's the value of having these numbers? Not being sarcastic here CJ, just a question.


bob

I asked the same thing on twitter, and given the statement in the blog about how inconsistent the tracks are with the labeling I am unsure how to use this other than to say this horses best numbers are on a certain track and I am certain today they are not getting that type.

[cj]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I asked the same thing on twitter, and given the statement in the blog about how inconsistent the tracks are with the labeling I am unsure how to use this other than to say this horses best numbers are on a certain track and I am certain today they are not getting that type.

I'll be adding a tool that can help. You'll never know on the first race run any day on each surface, but I'll post a chart and you can compare the time to the race rating and get a rough idea.

Beyond that, I think there is still some value. On the blog post I mention two races run two days apart at MVR, both fast tracks, one rate a 1 and one rated a 10. If you see the horse has run unexpectedly bad on one of the two, I think that is probably a valid excuse and you can put a line through it.

I also happen to think most seasoned handicappers can figure out when tracks are fudging the condition a bit based on past experience.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by cj

I'll be adding a tool that can help. You'll never know on the first race run any day on each surface, but I'll post a chart and you can compare the time to the race rating and get a rough idea.

Beyond that, I think there is still some value. On the blog post I mention two races run two days apart at MVR, both fast tracks, one rate a 1 and one rated a 10. If you see the horse has run unexpectedly bad on one of the two, I think that is probably a valid excuse and you can put a line through it.

I also happen to think most seasoned handicappers can figure out when tracks are fudging the condition a bit based on past experience.

I agree from a race/pace line selection. Look forward to more info.

[cj]

A good example was Bricks and Mortars win. If you believe the time, and I'm going to try to time it from video, there is no way the outer part of the Gulfstream course (used for the Pegasus Turf only) was yielding. The inside for the other races, yes, but not that one.

[Niko]

Longer post but context is important.

Me to DRF: I was a previous TF customer prior to DRF acquiring them so my accounts are not linked up and I can't figure out a way to do it. Same was true with just the regular drf.com website.

On the old DRF bets website, I was able to get credit for any Timeform US products if I bet on the track through DRF.

Because the old drfbets platform is not available anymore, I purchased a TF race card for Gulfstream this last weekend. It said I didn't have an account set up. I bought it anyway to see what would happen. As of yet, I haven't received the $3.50 credit back to my account after betting on GP that day.

How do I resolve this or do I just pay for TF on its own if I want to use the product now? Any way to link all 3 accounts under one account number and password? Thanks.

DRF reply:At this time the only way to get a refund for the TFUS PP is to purchase and wager at least $5 on the old site. Since you were not aware of this we have issued a credit of $3.50 to your MasterCard for the PP’s that were purchased on 1/20/19.

I didn't respond but in my head;

1) Great customer service getting a quick response with an explanation and credit.
2) 2nd time I inquired about linking up existing DRF accounts, still can't be done. Why?? I don't want to create a new email address and new accounts for DRF. I don't have to do that with BRIS/Twinspires.
3) They basically told me that with the new drfbets website, my only option for free PP's are DRF PP's, if I bet $5 or more on the track that day. Can't use my DRF PP credits for TF either. They don't want me using TF unless I'm willing to pay a premium, no credit for bets (not as profitable?) It's a shame as costs add up quickly to play the game on top of high takeouts.

[cj]

I'm going to forward this on to my boss and see what he can do.

[Niko]

Thanks, CJ. TF has always been my default and I'll still buy it on big days. I'd just be a bit more selective. Tells you how my betting is going , but somewhat expected with the time I have to put into it nowadays.

[KingChas]

Originally Posted by Niko

On the old DRF bets website, I was able to get credit for any Timeform US products if I bet on the track through DRF.

Because the old drfbets platform is not available anymore

I still can get to the old platform,try this link.

https://drfbets.xb-online.com/xbo/MWP_Login.aspx

[Niko]

Thanks KingChas. I didn't bother looking hard enough as I figured the old drfbets would be going away soon enough.

CJ had someone at DRF help me out. Of course, CJ went above and beyond as he always does for PaceAdvantage members.

It's nice to have someone looking out for their long-term customers.