Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Off Topic > Off Topic - General


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 09-28-2022, 06:04 PM   #1456
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 18,971
Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post
I see we've entered the shotgun phase of the discussion where we throw everything we can at a wall hoping it sticks.

I've been saying the same things about this war for months trying to get you see past your naive perspective. Our history makes it clear how we tend to try to resolve problems like this and is consistent with what I am saying.

Also, when I say you are naive, it's not an insult. I used to believe the crap our media and government told us for decades. But at a certain point it became obvious they were FOS. So I expanded my reading and heard other perspectives on what's actually going on and why. Now it's clearer.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 06:10 PM   #1457
garyscpa
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,432
I always thought it was spelled "lien."
garyscpa is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 06:10 PM   #1458
mhaney0423
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 679
Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post
There is only one likely culprit.

Nordstream 2 isn't even online yet and Germany has managed to survive the past couple of years.

There is enough capacity already through existing Eastern European pipelines to keep Europe warm...

NordStream 1 and 2 were about not having to pay transit fees through those countries.

Russia maximizes economic pain hitting the pipelines.

Edit) They are losing this war and are trying to play any bit of leverage they have.
Im not so sure about this, there is a helluva a lot of gas bubbling up in the Baltic Sea, that's Russian $ bubbling up there and I dont think it can be stopped for at least a week. Russia was only going to use those pipelines as a means to blackmail the West and possibly fracture the alliance and support for Ukraine during the winter.

It actually makes sense if the US or NATO did it, it's going to cost Russia a fortune, now and later. If we did do it, I fully support it.
mhaney0423 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 06:17 PM   #1459
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 18,971
Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post
There is only one likely culprit.

Nordstream 2 isn't even online yet and Germany has managed to survive the past couple of years.

There is enough capacity already through existing Eastern European pipelines to keep Europe warm...

NordStream 1 and 2 were about not having to pay transit fees through those countries.

Russia maximizes economic pain hitting the pipelines.

Edit) They are losing this war and are trying to play any bit of leverage they have.
For God's sake our own president is on video saying he was going to get rid of it and the US has something to gain by it (cutting Russia off economically longer term, preventing Germany from negotiating peace when winter comes) and Russia everything to lose by it and you still think Russia did it?

If I suspected Russia did it I'd at least make the sensible case that it was a false flag operation that Russia pulled off to make the world think the US is insane (which it is) and wants to escalate the war (which it apparently does).

Now if Russia starts cutting fiber lines that connect the communications and the internet in response we are in a much bigger war because these dimwits in DC and the neocons driving it are war mongering sociopaths.

There are easy outs to this that secure Ukraine's defense long term and give Putin what he wants now. The US is too dumb to negotiate now and simply wait for him to die. He's not a young healthy man anymore. He's not going to be in charge for that much longer. We don't have to start WW3 to get rid of him.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"

Last edited by classhandicapper; 09-28-2022 at 06:31 PM.
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 06:22 PM   #1460
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 18,971
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhaney0423 View Post
It actually makes sense if the US or NATO did it, it's going to cost Russia a fortune, now and later. If we did do it, I fully support it.
You won't support it if we did it, he can prove it, and he decides to cut a bunch of fiber optic cables that connect global communication and the internet in response. Russia has mostly their own system. If they start cutting fiber optic cables it will create chaos in the west and hardly impact him at all. That's the thing about war. The other side gets to fight back and isn't predictable. You don't want to escalate. You want to find solutions that both sides can live with and deescalate before someone does something they are going to regret like blowing up pipelines.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 06:30 PM   #1461
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 18,971
I don't care how much people hate Trump, when he's right he's right. He's right again today.

Attached Images
File Type: png Capture.PNG (341.5 KB, 15 views)
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 10:03 PM   #1462
elysiantraveller
Registered User
 
elysiantraveller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 14,018
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhaney0423 View Post
Im not so sure about this, there is a helluva a lot of gas bubbling up in the Baltic Sea, that's Russian $ bubbling up there and I dont think it can be stopped for at least a week. Russia was only going to use those pipelines as a means to blackmail the West and possibly fracture the alliance and support for Ukraine during the winter.

It actually makes sense if the US or NATO did it, it's going to cost Russia a fortune, now and later. If we did do it, I fully support it.
Russia is literally burning off gas right now because they have more than they can store.

There are plenty of pipelines. Transit fees were the whole reason for this. At the end of the day the consumer pays. Ukraine charges a significant transit fee... good way to fracture support.

There is zero reason for the US or any western country to sabotage this. No gain. Massive risk.
__________________
Dumbest timeline confirmed...
elysiantraveller is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-28-2022, 10:44 PM   #1463
xtb
Ultra MAGA "Gun Bitch"
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Western NY
Posts: 3,611
Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller View Post

Edit) They are losing this war and are trying to play any bit of leverage they have.
How does one play leverage when it's gone?
xtb is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-29-2022, 12:07 AM   #1464
MargieRose
Registered User
 
MargieRose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 4,280
Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper View Post
I don't care how much people hate Trump, when he's right he's right. He's right again today.
Of course!!

Who, other than Trump, is wanting to talk PEACE? And, he's willing to, asking to negotiate it himself.

Is there anyone that would not TRUST his instincts, sincerity and ability, at this point?
__________________
"Ultra-MAGA" ... am proud to be a member!
MargieRose is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-29-2022, 05:12 AM   #1465
mhaney0423
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 679
Quote:
Originally Posted by MargieRose View Post
Of course!!

Who, other than Trump, is wanting to talk PEACE? And, he's willing to, asking to negotiate it himself.

Is there anyone that would not TRUST his instincts, sincerity and ability, at this point?
I can think of one person who wouldnt!
mhaney0423 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-29-2022, 04:32 PM   #1466
JustRalph
Just another Facist
 
JustRalph's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 50,060
The intercepted phone calls.........tell a grim story

Russian military is a joke
__________________
LUKE 22:36
JustRalph is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-29-2022, 06:21 PM   #1467
TJDave
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 9,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by MargieRose View Post
:Is there anyone that would not TRUST his instincts, sincerity and ability, at this point?
81,268,924 million voters.
__________________
I dont hate Donald Trump. I hate you for voting for him, for not having intelligence.

Howard Stern
TJDave is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-30-2022, 01:28 AM   #1468
davew
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 19,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
81,268,924 million voters.
only proves over half of the voters can be fooled by the media lies
davew is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-30-2022, 07:20 AM   #1469
mhaney0423
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 679
Quote:
Originally Posted by davew View Post
only proves over half of the voters can be fooled by the media lies
And that the other half can be duped by a charlatan!!
mhaney0423 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 09-30-2022, 10:49 AM   #1470
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 79,562
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhaney0423 View Post
And that the other half can be duped by a charlatan!!
Charlatan with a whole lotta "Trump Was Right" threads here...which prove he's actually more of a soothsayer when you get down to brass tacks
__________________
@paceadvantage | Support the site and become a today!
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2022 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.