Fonner Park is proving a point I've made for a long time

[fastfasterfastest]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Below was my pre-race analysis of this race. Only 2 horses had any shot as the rest were awful. The winner was actually the odds on favorite and I also commented the $8.60 exacta was generous. I thought J Train was green and not intentionally held as it was his third LT race. But I could be wrong.


That being said, huge handles, huge carry-overs and tiny purses are a recipe for problems and the racing the last couple of weeks has been marred by non efforts. One of the leading jocks who will remain nameless but is always bet down has been floundering in the outside lanes despite a pronounced inside speed bias. Yesterday he appeared dead on every mount.


Like they used to do in my Monticllo Raceway days, buy a driver to simply go dead for the entire card. Much easier than race by race.





#2 Jtrain will get my Win money in what appears to be a 2 horse race. Better odds and more upside than #4
#4 Mr Big Shot....box with #2 in Exacta
2w ex box 24 dd 24/245

I actually posted on April 7th in the following thread http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...63#post2583963 post #163, about what I was observing from Fonner. Your example was one of two from the card on the 6th that made it grossly obvious games are being played.

[Cuffdaddy]

One thing that is noticeable about these lesser jocks is there inability to not lose momentum at a crucial time during the race.
They take way to big a hold during these moments and the race is lost.
The cheaper horses need everything virtually perfect and combining that with less skilled riders is tough to watch and wager on.

[therussmeister]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

I, too, have noticed that the jocks at Fonner don't try. Watch any race from Tampa, for instance where jocks on the hopeless runners still go balls to the walls trying.

The Fonner jockeys approaching the finish line have all the urgency of Gulfstream jockeys passing the finish line the first time in a 1 mile 3/8 race.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I thought J Train was green and not intentionally held as it was his third LT race. But I could be wrong.

Guess I have to watch it again then. Green horse never came to mind. But the actions of his rider certainly did...

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Guess I have to watch it again then. Green horse never came to mind. But the actions of his rider certainly did...

And after I watched it again I clearly saw your point of view. Likely only Mr. Fackler knows.


I really respect bullring jocks who ride lame and/or unmanageable horses for peanuts so when I wrote the synopsis after the race I figured he ( the horse)was triyng to lug out. Fackler is also one of the jocks that seems to be racing harder than others so I gave him the pass and figured it was the horse.

[Boomer]

Fackler is my single here in race 3 in the p3 and p5. Looks like inside controlling speed. My opiion pf him may change drastically if he leaves the rail

[cj]

Originally Posted by Boomer

And after I watched it again I clearly saw your point of view. Likely only Mr. Fackler knows.


I really respect bullring jocks who ride lame and/or unmanageable horses for peanuts so when I wrote the synopsis after the race I figured he ( the horse)was triyng to lug out. Fackler is also one of the jocks that seems to be racing harder than others so I gave him the pass and figured it was the horse.

Funny, when you said you wouldn't mention a name, his was the first to come to my mind.

[Boomer]

I wasn't talking about him, but watch his ride in race three where he winds up 3 wide around the turn I am thinking that truely was a stiff ride last week.

[moneyandland]

Anyone betting Fon is just donating money to a cause, you can make all the excuses you want for every horse/jockey in every race but there no rhyme or reason for anything that happens there. Hope they steal all they can before they go back to $17 in pool

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by moneyandland

Anyone betting Fon is just donating money to a cause, you can make all the excuses you want for every horse/jockey in every race but there no rhyme or reason for anything that happens there. Hope they steal all they can before they go back to $17 in pool

I hear they are running junkets from Saratoga to Fonner this summer.

[Afleet]

The massive increase in handle at Fonner Park in recent weeks has stakeholders in Nebraska working to extend the meet from its scheduled April 29 closing to the end of May.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...onal_month_123

[jay68802]

A fixed race ends up with the favorite winning and the second choice second? With the huge increase in pools, this is the way the jockeys chose to make money? Come on guys, the was not going to beat the after the put 3 lengths on him in the backstretch. The jockey on the got the best finish he could with what he had. He rode for second place, plain and simple.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by jay68802

A fixed race ends up with the favorite winning and the second choice second? With the huge increase in pools, this is the way the jockeys chose to make money? Come on guys, the was not going to beat the after the put 3 lengths on him in the backstretch. The jockey on the got the best finish he could with what he had. He rode for second place, plain and simple.

This is a little naive.

And I never said the race was definitely fixed.

I only asked for an opinion as to why a jockey, on a legit contender, would break nicely...secure a great position going into the first turn, on the lead, then just pretty much hammerlock your horse back out of contention down the backstretch....letting your only other major competition inherit the nice easy pacesetters role.

Makes 0 sense. But who knows. Maybe the trainer wanted a ride like that...maybe he likes collecting 2nd place checks.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by jay68802

With the huge increase in pools, this is the way the jockeys chose to make money?

Really? Winning jock gets $420 for that mount, less agent and valet fees.

With larger pools, you can load up and nobody would be the wiser, and seemingly, nobody gets hurt. That Exacta paid $8.60. The pool was over $100k.

These guys know their horses, the competition and what they have to work with.

Believe me, the "fixed" race is the one all jocks are in on, where they all have a ticket, and the winner pays $5.00, and it all looks clean. With large pools, they all get pocket money. Not all of the races are set-up, but I have never seen what I see at Fonner in terms of jockeys not riding to win in certain races.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by jay68802

A fixed race ends up with the favorite winning and the second choice second? With the huge increase in pools, this is the way the jockeys chose to make money? Come on guys, the was not going to beat the after the put 3 lengths on him in the backstretch. The jockey on the got the best finish he could with what he had. He rode for second place, plain and simple.

Usually respect your opinion, but it makes a lot more sense that the horses would get bet, doesn't it?