 |
|
10-06-2014, 05:57 PM
|
#286
|
|
Dead money
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 3,838
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by onefast99
He WW SW is coming and it will be here very soon.
|
I agree......living in nj 29/33 years of my life nj will have sports betting...
__________________
Bustout degenerate gambler
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 08:49 AM
|
#287
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,459
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by thaskalos
It has always been my contention that football would become a second-rate sport if it weren't for the gambling element which surrounds it. And I think the league knows it. There isn't as much antagonism between the league and the bookmakers as the league lets on. These detailed injury reports...with whom in mind were they created? I remember reading the comments of a popular Las Vegas sportsbook manager a few years ago...where he said that the best thing for the Vegas bookies would be if the league would push back the starting times of their afternoon games a little...so their customers could cash their early bets before placing their later ones. A year and a half later...the late game starting times were pushed back.
To me...the pointspread has done as much for football as the forward pass.
|
Thank you for such a well thought out post. Even when we disagree I always read your opposite point of view from top to bottom.
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 10:22 AM
|
#288
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Manhattan
Posts: 3,826
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz
I agree......living in nj 29/33 years of my life nj will have sports betting...
|
When a timeframe is the issue, and the government is involved, you'll rarely go broke betting the "over."
__________________
“Life does not ask what we want. It presents us with options”
― Thomas Sowell
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 11:17 AM
|
#289
|
|
Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Canarsie
Could you expound on "gamblers mistake" because I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Do you have or know of a bookie? Yes, I know of several. They are personal friends.
Have you wagered on the NFL in the past two years? No, I quit a long time ago because I got tired of losing.
Have you attended a sports bar in the last two years? Yes, and it was pretty obvious that most of the people there had money on a (probably several)game.
Above all are you a football fan? Yes
Do you watch racing on Sunday, football, or both? I'm talking about people who actually watch the games every week not the casual viewer. Right now I watch football. I have a remote and switch between games. Does that make me a casual viewer? I have in the past bet the races and then watched football. Watching football and betting the races at the same time is conducive to making winning bets.
Do you have data on this comment? Only what I have heard and read from gamblers. I know of probably 50 people who go to almost every UNL home game. Only one bets football. My guess is that very few people who actually go the games bet football.
Gamblers don't think anything they bet on would not exist if weren't for gambling.
I'm ok with people disputing (I'm not a stinking genius) anything I write but please back it up.
Did you read my posts????? Yes
Except for the percentage I don't know what else you are disputing because we are in agreement.
|
While Fantasy Football has undoubtedly helped the NFL, I have yet to meet a FF player who wasn't into the NFL before he became a FF player. The only non fan gambling I have seen in any great amount is NCAA tournament pools and to a lesser extent score pools on UNL football pools. The thing I wonder about is even in Nevada where gambling on almost everything, how many Nevada residents bet football compared to say playing the slots or playing blackjack? I know a lot of money is bet on football, but I think most of it comes from a few heavy betters. A bookie friend confided to me that half his action came from 3 bettors. He probably has close to a hundred people who bet with him off and on. The shocking thing he told me was that if you threw out the Super Bowl, he took almost as much money in on baseball as he did on football. He said most of the baseball action was over/under. I would have never guess that.
__________________
Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 11:25 AM
|
#290
|
|
Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
|
NJ may want "legal" sports wagering, but that doesn't mean they are going to get. Maybe the Feds will ignore the federal ban like they do with medical marijuana, but I doubt it. There is too much money and political power against it right now.
__________________
Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 12:52 PM
|
#291
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Robert Goren
NJ may want "legal" sports wagering, but that doesn't mean they are going to get. Maybe the Feds will ignore the federal ban like they do with medical marijuana, but I doubt it. There is too much money and political power against it right now.
|
as long as the Gov gets their piece I think they will ignore it.
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 01:00 PM
|
#292
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 930
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
as long as the Gov gets their piece I think they will ignore it.
|
Christie does not want to have anything to do with sports wagering, that is why he punted.
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 03:13 PM
|
#293
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,569
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Robert Goren
While Fantasy Football has undoubtedly helped the NFL, I have yet to meet a FF player who wasn't into the NFL before he became a FF player. The only non fan gambling I have seen in any great amount is NCAA tournament pools and to a lesser extent score pools on UNL football pools. The thing I wonder about is even in Nevada where gambling on almost everything, how many Nevada residents bet football compared to say playing the slots or playing blackjack? I know a lot of money is bet on football, but I think most of it comes from a few heavy betters. A bookie friend confided to me that half his action came from 3 bettors. He probably has close to a hundred people who bet with him off and on. The shocking thing he told me was that if you threw out the Super Bowl, he took almost as much money in on baseball as he did on football. He said most of the baseball action was over/under. I would have never guess that.
|
Well...there are 2,430 regular season baseball games...and only 256 football games.
__________________
"Theory is knowledge that doesn't work. Practice is when everything works and you don't know why."
-- Hermann Hesse
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 04:07 PM
|
#294
|
|
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 25,607
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Robert Goren
While Fantasy Football has undoubtedly helped the NFL, I have yet to meet a FF player who wasn't into the NFL before he became a FF player. The only non fan gambling I have seen in any great amount is NCAA tournament pools and to a lesser extent score pools on UNL football pools. The thing I wonder about is even in Nevada where gambling on almost everything, how many Nevada residents bet football compared to say playing the slots or playing blackjack? I know a lot of money is bet on football, but I think most of it comes from a few heavy betters. A bookie friend confided to me that half his action came from 3 bettors. He probably has close to a hundred people who bet with him off and on. The shocking thing he told me was that if you threw out the Super Bowl, he took almost as much money in on baseball as he did on football. He said most of the baseball action was over/under. I would have never guess that.
|
Some of the biggest bettors are totals bettors. That way, you don't have to "pick a winner" you get paid if you can just figure out the likely "tempo" of the game.
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 04:42 PM
|
#295
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by SandyW
Christie does not want to have anything to do with sports wagering, that is why he punted.
|
gov=government
I am talking about State and Federal agencies.
When shit starts falling apart, which is going to be happening sooner rather than later any piece of pie is not going to be turned down.
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 08:23 PM
|
#296
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 930
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
gov=government
I am talking about State and Federal agencies.
When shit starts falling apart, which is going to be happening sooner rather than later any piece of pie is not going to be turned down.
|
Is this anything similar to the pie that ruined Atlantic City?
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 08:26 PM
|
#297
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 5,851
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by SandyW
Christie does not want to have anything to do with sports wagering, that is why he punted.
|
Sandy W can I make one suggestion, please familiarize yourself with the bill that the Gov initially vetoed and then based on what could have been a political nightmare for him eventually signed. It is bill S2250. Yesterday Judge Shipp requested an extension for the additional filings of briefs from both sides so he can rule whether his 2013 initial ruling to allow sports wagering without any State involvement will go forward. There is no "punting" all the tracks and casinos are waiting for is Shipp to say Yes to his initial ruling and SW will begin in the great state of NJ.
__________________
Remember the NJ horseman got you here now do the right thing with the purses!
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 08:35 PM
|
#298
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Manhattan
Posts: 3,826
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by onefast99
the great state of NJ.
|
__________________
“Life does not ask what we want. It presents us with options”
― Thomas Sowell
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 08:40 PM
|
#299
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 5,851
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by badcompany
|
I had to throw in a little humor as this thread is getting too dam serious.... 
__________________
Remember the NJ horseman got you here now do the right thing with the purses!
|
|
|
|
|
10-07-2014, 10:12 PM
|
#300
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 930
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by onefast99
Great state of NJ.
|
In this the same state with some of the highest property taxes and right up there with the highest cost of living in the United States that you are talking about.
Sports wagering will not save the state financially if that is what they are shooting for, the same way that Atlantic City did not save New Jersey from the financial mess that they are in today.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
