It's official. We have reached the tipping point

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Obama didn't design the hat. He didn't look at samples. He didn't pick the one he liked or the one he disliked. Chances are Obama has never even thought about Marine headgear. I am flabbergasted that anyone would think that a President would get involved in such a thing. I guess that's what they mean when they call Marines Jarheads.

I really think/hope you're right on this one. Now if Jimmy Carter were still president, I'd disagree with you.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Sure, lets argue about a few trees when the whole forest is on fire.

There's almost no question that if you give something to someone, there is a tendency for some to build their life around the assumption that it will continue.

There's no question that it's close to impossible politically to cut something once people become dependent on it.

There's no question that if you promise to give someone something for nothing or say that the other guy wants to take it away they will tend to vote for you.

Do you really need an IQ higher than a turnip to see where this is going as we keep heading towards the tipping point?

You are making an assumption which shows the difference between a conservative and a liberal.

The conservative assumes that everyone-except him of course-is lazy and unmotivated and wants the world handed to him on a silver platter. The conservative does not accept the fact that outside factors can influence a persons circumstances and just working hard is not always going to change things. This is a very negative view of the world.

The liberal believes in a positive image of mankind. He believes the most people do not want handouts: most people will do what the job requires and more. He believes that people would rather work than go on welfare; would rather earn enough money to feed their family than use food stamps. But the liberal also believes that such programs should be available to those who need them.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The liberal believes in a positive image of mankind. He believes the most people do not want handouts: most people will do what the job requires and more. He believes that people would rather work than go on welfare; would rather earn enough money to feed their family than use food stamps. But the liberal also believes that such programs should be available to those who need them.

...and the liberal never seems to grasp the law of intended consequences of their "good" deed.

[sandpit]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Obama didn't design the hat. He didn't look at samples. He didn't pick the one he liked or the one he disliked. Chances are Obama has never even thought about Marine headgear. I am flabbergasted that anyone would think that a President would get involved in such a thing. I guess that's what they mean when they call Marines Jarheads.

Well, that's really about enough...just like anyone should be flabbergasted that chief petty officer Obama would stick his nose in things like that mega-over-hyped Trayvon Martin nonsense, reveling in his theories on the college football playoff system, or going on the tv late-night talk show circuit...ask presidential, for God's sake.

Yesterday I went to the funeral of a relative who was a marine. As an aside, I have never been in the military. At the grave site there were three young marines, I would imagine it is called an honor guard, but I'm not sure. One of them played Taps on the bugle, while the other two removed and folded the flag with meticulous precision, then gently handed it to my great aunt, expressing their condolences with great tenderness. It was very moving.

Call them Jarheads or whatever derisive name you want, but I can guarantee you I'll never see any of those "needy" lifelong welfare mamas, hood-dwelling crack dealers or community organizers you liberals love to prop up providing any similar service to their fellow citizens.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by sandpit

chief petty officer Obama

CPO? Last I heard he was a corpseman.

[Ocala Mike]

Originally Posted by sandpit

Call them Jarheads or whatever derisive name you want, but I can guarantee you I'll never see any of those "needy" lifelong welfare mamas, hood-dwelling crack dealers or community organizers you liberals love to prop up providing any similar service to their fellow citizens.

All too often, a lot of these guys get out of the service so damaged, mentally and physically, that they require services themselves. At that point, they are relegated to the pile labeled "takers" by the "makers." I will prop them up gladly.

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The liberal believes in a positive image of mankind.

Then how do you account for all the nanny-state directives telling people how to live their lives because they're too stupid to do the right thing on their own? That's not a very positive image.

How about gun control vs. responsible gun ownership?

What about liberal environmentalists? They practically hate mankind.

I think you're sadly mistaken.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

All too often, a lot of these guys get out of the service so damaged, mentally and physically, that they require services themselves. At that point, they are relegated to the pile labeled "takers" by the "makers." I will prop them up gladly.

care to cite real stats on this fantasy quote of yours?

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The liberal believes in a positive image of mankind. He believes the most people do not want handouts: most people will do what the job requires and more. He believes that people would rather work than go on welfare; would rather earn enough money to feed their family than use food stamps. But the liberal also believes that such programs should be available to those who need them.

Sounds like some droning dogmatics out of Chaiman Mao's "Little Red Book".....

[Ocala Mike]

Are you saying there are no veterans in need of the social safety net, including food stamps, that is being undercut at every turn by House Republicans?

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Are you saying there are no veterans in need of the social safety net, including food stamps, that is being undercut at every turn by House Republicans?

No one said "no" veterans.......
You were the one who made the claim that "All too often, a lot of these guys get out of the service so damaged, mentally and physically, that they require services themselves".

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by rastajenk

Then how do you account for all the nanny-state directives telling people how to live their lives because they're too stupid to do the right thing on their own? That's not a very positive image.

This is discussed in the book "A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles" by Thomas Sowell. He says that a major difference between liberals and conservatives is their vision of human nature.

Conservatives tend to believe in a "constrained" vision of human nature, one that is enduring and self-centered, but capable of working together for mutual benefit. Liberals tend to believe in an "unconstrained" vision of human nature, one that is malleable and perfectible.

So naturally, if human nature is perfectible, someone has to decide what "perfection" looks like, and the more perfect have to lead the less perfect to the top of the mountain. Whether they like it or not. (This last is my summation, not Sowell's)

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Clocker

This is discussed in the book "A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles" by Thomas Sowell. He says that a major difference between liberals and conservatives is their vision of human nature.

Conservatives tend to believe in a "constrained" vision of human nature, one that is enduring and self-centered, but capable of working together for mutual benefit. Liberals tend to believe in an "unconstrained" vision of human nature, one that is malleable and perfectible.

So naturally, if human nature is perfectible, someone has to decide what "perfection" looks like, and the more perfect have to lead the less perfect to the top of the mountain. Whether they like it or not. (This last is my summation, not Sowell's)

Sowell blows smoke "Liberals tend to believe in an "unconstrained" vision of human nature, one that is malleable and perfectible."

So the implication is Wesley Mouch*** can then manipulate all them malleable and perfectible poor slob' liberal takers, low information voters. Thomas Sowell is just echoing Atlas Shrugged. I thought you were not an Objectivist?

Wesley Mouch***

The incompetent and treacherous lobbyist whom Hank Rearden reluctantly employs in Washington, who rises to prominence and authority throughout the novel through trading favours and disloyalty. In return for betraying Hank by helping broker the Equalization of Opportunity Bill (which, by restricting the number of businesses each person may own to one, forces Hank to divest most of his companies), he is given a senior position at the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. Later in the novel he becomes its Top Co-ordinator, a position that eventually becomes Economic Dictator of the country.

[Let's Roll]

Originally Posted by Clocker

This is discussed in the book "A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles" by Thomas Sowell. He says that a major difference between liberals and conservatives is their vision of human nature.

Conservatives tend to believe in a "constrained" vision of human nature, one that is enduring and self-centered, but capable of working together for mutual benefit. Liberals tend to believe in an "unconstrained" vision of human nature, one that is malleable and perfectible.

So naturally, if human nature is perfectible, someone has to decide what "perfection" looks like, and the more perfect have to lead the less perfect to the top of the mountain. Whether they like it or not. (This last is my summation, not Sowell's)

Great post, deserves a thread of it's own.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The liberal believes in a positive image of mankind. He believes the most people do not want handouts: most people will do what the job requires and more. He believes that people would rather work than go on welfare; would rather earn enough money to feed their family than use food stamps. But the liberal also believes that such programs should be available to those who need them.

Spend ten years as a cop and you would know the truth. I am told by many old timers that it's a generational thing. That until the 70's things were different.

Your view of the world was correct prior to the 70's. At least that's what I have been told. I was a cop on the west coast (California) and in the middle of the country (Ohio) I have also spent several years in Hospital Security. Nothing you mention above could be further from the truth. Especially in my last job in MD. Just outside Baltimore.

I also worked 911 in Charlotte. I saw nothing of the world you envision. Nothing like it

I have lived it. I know what's real.