Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And if the US isn't a formidable military force (witness Afghanistan), and Russia isn't a formidable military force (witness Ukraine), then who is the real world superpower?

China? Until they are exposed as well, at some point?

This is all nonsense.

The United States Military has fucking steamrolled every opponent its faced going on 50 years.

[PaceAdvantage]

I do remember that TV tower...fierce...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

This is all nonsense.

Is it?

Or is it nonsense that Russia can't take Kyiv? Given what we've been taught for decades about the Soviet Union and then Russia under Putin?

All of a sudden, one of the three big powers in the world can't take Ukraine/Kyiv?

What does that tell you about:

a) propaganda
b) US Intelligence

Either it's all just one big fucking lie about the so-called Russian military (likely meant to prop up the US military industrial complex), or Russia never had any intention of taking Kyiv in the first place.

So which is it, ely?

Is the Russian military one giant pile of dogshit...and US Intelligence is either fatally incompetent or nothing but a giant propaganda machine...or maybe Kyiv was never supposed to be taken in the first place.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

...serious question...

Looking back it obviously wasn't a serious question.

Just bait I regret taking so you can riff some more about whatever you think is happening.

No amount of info will move you from your position so I regret bothering.

I'll respond to whatever you say then you'll whatabout something else... your newest one is nonsensical arguments confusing assault with occupation.

Ukraine is holding out and winning because they are a motivated defending force with shorter supply chains, relative numerical parity, and a metric fuck-ton of foreign assistance.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Looking back it obviously wasn't a serious question.

Just bait I regret taking so you can riff some more about whatever you think is happening.

No amount of info will move you from your position so I regret bothering.

I'll respond to whatever you say then you'll whatabout something else... your newest one is nonsensical arguments confusing assault with occupation.

Ukraine is holding out and winning because they are a motivated defending force with shorter supply chains, relative numerical parity, and a metric fuck-ton of foreign assistance.

Bullshit.

If true, then the Russian military was nothing but a pile of dogshit from the start.

And we either really, really SUCK at the intelligence game, or they've been lying to us for decades.

You can't have it all ways. Sorry.

[PaceAdvantage]

And for the record, pretty sure I haven't "whatabouted" once today

You just refuse to answer basic questions.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Is it?

Or is it nonsense that Russia can't take Kyiv? Given what we've been taught for decades about the Soviet Union and then Russia under Putin?

All of a sudden, one of the three big powers in the world can't take Ukraine/Kyiv?

What does that tell you about:

a) propaganda
b) US Intelligence

Either it's all just one big fucking lie about the so-called Russian military (likely meant to prop up the US military industrial complex), or Russia never had any intention of taking Kyiv in the first place.

So which is it, ely?

Is the Russian military one giant pile of dogshit...and the US Intelligence is either fatally incompetent or nothing but a giant propaganda machine...or maybe Kyiv was never supposed to be taken in the first place.

You are backfitting because your priors don't match the facts on the ground.

In your mind;

Russia is a strong military.

Russia failed to take Kyiv.

Therefore Russia never really tried to take Kyiv.

This is textbook someone who is absolutely incapable of change or critical thinking.

You think you're being clever when actually you're too weak minded to properly challenge your own predispositions.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Bullshit.

If true, then the Russian military was nothing but a pile of dogshit from the start.

And we either really, really SUCK at the intelligence game, or they've been lying to us for decades.

You can't have it all ways. Sorry.

What point are you trying to make now?

Serious question... because I need to know what to answer with something thoughtful.

Are we still talking about whether or not Russia wanted to take Kyiv or that they're dogshit?

If they didn't want to take Ukraine like you've been arguing they aren't really dogshit... they've had respectable advances in other parts of the country.

Or THEY DID try to take Kyiv and now you truly think they're dogshit because they failed.

[PaceAdvantage]

How is it then that "Russia's conventional military force is a pile of dogshit" was never much of a talking point prior to the invasion of Ukraine?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Or THEY DID try to take Kyiv and now you truly think they're dogshit because they failed.

How exactly did they try and take Kyiv?

Did they pull a Mariupol and shell Kyiv for weeks? If so, I must have missed that.

Did they not get close enough to Kyiv to inflict ANY sort of sizable damage to the city?

Is Kyiv unrecognizable like Mariupol is these days?

What is this SERIOUS effort to take Kyiv and when did it happen?

The opening days of the war? They went after the airport well north of the city?

[davew]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

This is all nonsense.

The United States Military has fucking steamrolled every opponent its faced going on 50 years.

that was before they changed standards to allow fat, lazy, woke, multigender individuals to join military

[PaceAdvantage]

Why are some people so convinced Putin's end game was to take over the entire country of Ukraine?

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Why are some people so convinced Putin's end game was to take over the entire country of Ukraine?

Because that is what the media told them.

[PaceAdvantage]

If I was Putin, I wouldn't want to take over the entire country of Ukraine.

I'd just want the parts that matter.

Kyiv isn't one of those parts

[MargieRose]

You two remind me of Joe Bongirono and Geraldo Rivera when they both appear on Sean Hannity together.