Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[jimmyb]

Biden going to take 100,000 Ukranian refugees with preference given to LGBTQ


"The United States is proud to be the largest single donor of humanitarian, democracy, and human rights assistance to Ukraine, working closely with our European partners. We remain committed to ensuring those affected by President Putin’s war of aggression, especially vulnerable populations such as women, children, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTQI+)"


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...unding-region/

[Tom]

What a POS Biden is.
My apologies to S*** everywhere.

Let them all stay with Hunter.

[geroge.burns99]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

Biden going to take 100,000 Ukranian refugees with preference given to LGBTQ


"The United States is proud to be the largest single donor of humanitarian, democracy, and human rights assistance to Ukraine, working closely with our European partners. We remain committed to ensuring those affected by President Putin’s war of aggression, especially vulnerable populations such as women, children, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTQI+)"


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...unding-region/

Did he really need to go beyond "Women and children"



PS- What is "intersex" ? Animals , inadequate objects?

[davew]

Originally Posted by geroge.burns99

I disagree a little Tuck....


We're looking at Russia , 2nd in world power, vs a corrupt little country in Ukraine...

with no strength in forces.....

I for sure didn't think it would have lasted this long....

So the question arises....


Why is this ?

Mike

I feel China is 2nd (maybe first thanks to Clintons giving them secrets) in military power.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by geroge.burns99

Did he really need to go beyond "Women and children"



PS- What is "intersex" ? Animals , inadequate objects?

Strange comment from a pervert who nominated a woman who supports child porn fot the SC. Who know what these unholy dems do at home in the dark......

[geroge.burns99]

Originally Posted by davew

I feel China is 2nd (maybe first thanks to Clintons giving them secrets) in military power.

Clinton gave them crap that was outdated....

Its like using Sartin stuff in todays world.....


Anyway , giving them tech that we know how to break is bad or smart ????

[elysiantraveller]

For those curious the ISW (Institute for the Study of War) is a fairly good source for unbiased daily updates.

Today's report makes clear several things many of us have been suspecting. Bullet points and link below.

ISW ASSESSMENT FOR APRIL 3

--UKRAINE HAS WON THE BATTLE OF KYIV. Russian troops are not completing their withdrawal from Kyiv "in good order," indicating that Russia will lose more troops killed, missing, or captured in what was the Kyiv front. ISW's map shows that Ukraine controls all its territory north of Kyiv all the way to the border with Belarus

--Russia is also attempting to withdraw their troops that previously advanced towards Kyiv from the east, but are facing similar problems. Many of them are getting killed and captured.

--ISW assesses that Russia can still win a more limited campaign for Donbass and establish a land bridge to Crimea, if they get their forces into good order. Ukraine's victory in Kyiv is "significant but not decisive."

--The Russian troops that withdrew successfully from Kyiv to Belarus and western Russia cannot be used for several weeks, perhaps a few months, in combat at a minimum.

--Russian troops may also withdraw from Chernihiv and keep a salient between Konotop (which they captured) and Sumy (which is still in Ukrainian hands, but under attack).

--ISW assesses that it is possible Russia withdraws all troops west of the Kharkiv front, meaning Chernihiv and Sumy, previously besieged by Russia, will be relieved, and Konotop, captured by Russia will be liberated

--Russia is attempting to mass troops around Sumy as they are withdrawing them from the eastern advance towards Kyiv but are having difficulty doing so

--A few Russian troops, notably a unit from South Ossetia, refused to fight

--ISW assesses the continued independence of Ukraine as a sovereign state is "no longer in question"

--Little new information is available from Mariupol due to "interdiction of communication" from the besieged city. ISW believes that Russia will announce the capture of Mariupol as a propaganda booster for domestic consumption, but no announcement has occurred, indicating that fighting is still ongoing there

--The Russian capture of Rubizhne (in Donbass) is imminent

--No changes around Kherson

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nflict-updates

[PaceAdvantage]

Wait, when was there ever an actual battle for Kyiv? Is this more propaganda?

Serious question, by the way.

[PaceAdvantage]

Can you lose something you never had in the first place and never seriously have gone after?

The insanity continues.

[PaceAdvantage]

When you stop lapping up the propaganda from both sides...some things start to make sense...like this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/w...-ukraine.html/

Maybe people should pay attention to history and not propaganda:

There is a whole next stage to the Putin playbook, which is well known to the Chechens. As Russian troops gained control on the ground in Chechnya, they crushed any further dissent with arrests and filtration camps and by turning and empowering local protégés and collaborators.

After unleashing horrendous firepower, the decisive blow exerted against Chechnya was the use of loyalist Chechens to impose control. Six years into the war, Mr. Putin turned the chief mufti of Chechnya to betray the rebel cause. The mufti’s son, Ramzan Kadyrov, became Mr. Putin’s chief henchman and has supplied Chechen fighters to support Russian forces in the wars in Syria and now Ukraine.

There are already signs of such methods in Ukraine: the arrest and disappearance of local officials, detentions and threats against local journalists and the reported mass evacuation of civilians to Russia.

The methods applied by Russian proxies over the last eight years in the separatist districts of eastern Ukraine — their rigid suppression and notorious prison — are as good an indication as any of the way the country could be run under Russian occupation.

A Canadian diplomat and politician, Chris Alexander, who served in Canada’s embassy in Moscow at the height of the Chechen war, warned too of worse to come.

“The only danger to Ukrainians at this point are Aleppo/Grozniy-style massed indirect fires,” he wrote to me. “This is not over — far from it.”

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Wait, when was there ever an actual battle for Kyiv? Is this more propaganda?

Serious question, by the way.

At the start of the invasion the main maneuvers of the Russian military were a two pronged offensive.

One driving from Belarus to the North and West of Kyiv on the west side of the Dneiper.

The other through Chernihiv and Sumy on the eastside of the river. I'll attach a map from 3/10 (best I could quickly find) to illustrate.



Russian intentions were to encircle the city and lay seige.

The most daring assault of the first day of the conflict was the failed VDV Air Assault of Hostomel Airfield to the northwest of the city.



Ultimately the Russians would take the airfield after two days of heavy fighting but the initial failures prevented a quick forward supply base for advancing columns.

The world largest airplane was destroyed in that fighting.



Ultimately the Russian advances would be stopped and failure to adequately resupply their forces due to Ukrainian convoy strikes and counterattacks turned the attack back.

Russia abandoned the Kyiv campaign a couple of days ago officially with a lot of units cut off and encircled. This is where the war crime stuff is currently being discovered.

That all said the opening Russian battle plan was a quick move on Kyiv breaking Ukrainian morale and winning a short war. It's failure has been pretty disastrous as Kyiv will remain Ukrainian for the remainder of this conflict.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Can you lose something you never had in the first place and never seriously have gone after?

The insanity continues.

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

When you stop lapping up the propaganda from both sides...some things start to make sense...like this

Maybe people should pay attention to history and not propaganda:

Wait... are you being serious right now?

You don't think the Russians made a serious push to take the capital?!?!

[PaceAdvantage]

That all said the opening Russian battle plan was a quick move on Kyiv breaking Ukrainian morale and winning a short war.

Says who?

See what I'm getting at?

What you're doing is backfitting.

Whoever said the Russian battle plan was a quick move on Kyiv?

US intelligence? LMAO

[PaceAdvantage]

Explain to me how all this time we're told Russia was one of the major military powers in the world.

And they can't even take Kyiv?

What does that tell you?

Either they never wanted to take Kyiv in the first place, or we've been lied to all this time about Russia being some sort of formidable conventional military force.

Which is it ely?

And if the US isn't a formidable military force (witness Afghanistan), and Russia isn't a formidable military force (witness Ukraine), then who is the real world superpower?

China? Until they are exposed as well, at some point?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Says who?

See what I'm getting at?

What you're doing is backfitting.

Whoever said the Russian battle plan was a quick move on Kyiv?

US intelligence? LMAO

The fact they committed 30-40 BTGs (a third of their effective fighting force) to the two prongs.

The fact they launched a FUCKING MASSIVE air assault DAY ONE to take an airfield at the capital.

Seriously guy... you can find videos of all of this shit on twitter.

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496811350445678592

This dumbass from CNN got so turned around at Kyiv on the opening day of the conflict he didn't know he was running around with a bunch of VDV (Russian Paratroopers).



What has happened to you that makes you incapable of seeing what is literally right in front of you?

How about high-end Ukrainian Su-27 we all got to see get splashed over Kyiv on day 2? That just more pro-west propaganda too?

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