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03-08-2022, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
It's funny you make cracks to me about how the cold war wants it's foreign policy back then say you agree with him.
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You're confusing me to you, and Obama to Romney...
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03-08-2022, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The problem with Mearsheimer is he was dead wrong in 2014 in his assessment of Russian intentions.
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How so? He said in 2014 (actually agreeing with you), that if you really wanted to fuck Russia, get them to go to war in Ukraine. He thought back then Putin was too smart to do that (so he was wrong about that).
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03-08-2022, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
How so? He said in 2014 (actually agreeing with you), that if you really wanted to fuck Russia, get them to go to war in Ukraine. He thought back then Putin was too smart to do that (so he was wrong about that).
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This would imply we "got them" to go to war.
Proper reading of the room then would have been to begin making preparations to make war too painful.
Something Obama and Trump failed to do.
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03-08-2022, 07:59 PM
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It doesn't matter what he thought back then because we have Putin saying his justification for conflict right now and one of the big ones is he doesn't believe Ukraine has the right to exist.
It's naked aggression and nothing more. He didn't have to say it... coulda just blamed NATO but he didn't. He chose to say that.
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Maybe he said that because he thought saying that would provoke less of a response from NATO? If you wanted to prevent NATO from getting involved, why not pass off some bullshit to try and make it work.
You know, kind of like how GWB did to justify invading Iraq.
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03-08-2022, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Maybe he said that because he thought saying that would provoke less of a response from NATO? If you wanted to prevent NATO from getting involved, why not pass off some bullshit to try and make it work.
You know, kind of like how GWB to justify invading Iraq.
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I'm invading a country because I don't think it deserves to exist would deter NATO? Or it's further expansion?!?!
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03-08-2022, 08:22 PM
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And here I thought the excuse was "Ukraine filled with Nazis...ME PUTIN SAVE UKRAINE FROM ITSELF"
Someone needs to get their story straight...
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03-08-2022, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
And here I thought the excuse was "Ukraine filled with Nazis...ME PUTIN SAVE UKRAINE FROM ITSELF"
Someone needs to get their story straight...
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Yeah... Tucker probably left those bits out... can't say I'd blame him with his history on the matter... yeeesh!
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"Ukraine never had a tradition of genuine statehood."
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"Modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began immediately after the revolution of 1917...
"As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called 'Vladimir Ilyich Lenin's Ukraine'. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents ... And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine."
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"From the very first steps they began to build their statehood on the denial of everything that unites us. They tried to distort the consciousness, the historical memory of millions of people, entire generations living in Ukraine."
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“I would like to emphasize again that Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. … Since time immemorial, the people living in the southwest of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians and Orthodox Christians. This was the case before the 17th century, when a portion of this territory rejoined the Russian state, and after.”
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https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/ukr...ow-2022-03-08/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...peech-ukraine/
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03-08-2022, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Yeah... Tucker probably left those bits out... can't say I'd blame him with his history on the matter... yeeesh!
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Hey! Thanks for reminding me. Been binging a bit of BILLIONS and forgot that I saw Tucker had some new stuff up on YouTube!
I wonder if any will be post-worthy.
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03-08-2022, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Hey! Thanks for reminding me. Been binging a bit of BILLIONS and forgot that I saw Tucker had some new stuff up on YouTube!
I wonder if any will be post-worthy.
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Curious to what his-er, I mean, your talking points will be tomorrow.
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03-09-2022, 02:22 AM
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Newsmax war correspondent is a hero. This is not his first rescue, either.
Former Army Ranger...Chuck Holton.
"Yesterday while reporting from Irpin we were approached by a random woman asking our help to rescue a 96-year-old woman she knew who had been abandoned by her caretaker in Kyiv. We decided to give it a try, even though there was less than an hour left before curfew."
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03-09-2022, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Ukraine doubling its compliment of MiG29s certainly seems like a win.
Should've asked them for a favor first though I guess...
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You're right, should have asked for a favor...because apparently...Pentagon says this isn't happening:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/polit...sia/index.html
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The Pentagon on Tuesday evening dismissed Poland's proposal floated hours earlier to transfer its MiG-29 fighter jets to the United States for delivery to Ukraine.
Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said in a statement that the Pentagon did not believe Poland's proposal was "tenable," just hours after Polish officials released a statement saying the government was ready to deploy all of its MiG-29 fighter jets to US Air Force's Rammstein Air Base in Germany so they could then be provided to Ukraine in its fight against Russia.
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The idea as laid out by Poland was too risky, Kirby said, as the US and NATO seek to avoid an outright conflict between the alliance and Russia.
"The prospect of fighter jets 'at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America' departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance," Kirby said.
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The Defense Department statement was released Tuesday evening after the Polish proposal caught the Biden administration completely off guard, multiple sources told CNN.
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Ooops....let's go Brandon?
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 03-09-2022 at 03:23 AM.
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03-09-2022, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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So Ukrainian pilots can’t go to Poland and get them?
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03-09-2022, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
So Ukrainian pilots can’t go to Poland and get them?
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They could even say they were stolen... hyjack... while they were out to lunch. And demand there return...  . Just to cover their nato asses. The pilots could do some tree top flyin' and pop up in Ukrainian Air Space guns blazin if needed.
It's not like sneaking planes into service has not been done before.
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To circumnavigate the US neutrality act, Britain took delivery of aircraft at the US Canadian border and pulled them into Canada by horses or trucks.
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03-09-2022, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
So Ukrainian pilots can’t go to Poland and get them?
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The issue is the transfer. Poland got out in front of its skis on this.
We'll see what happens.
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03-09-2022, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The issue is the transfer. Poland got out in front of its skis on this.
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Or maybe Biden admin got out in front of its own skis on this...and the other NATO nations were like "WTF MAN?!?!"
It's kinda weird the CNN piece claims all this caught the Biden admin COMPLETELY OFF GUARD since it's a topic that has been in the news cycle for days now.
Some "adult in charge" probably sat both Poland and the USA down and had to explain to them how this might not be a very good idea.
Likely someone who doesn't spend their entire day on twitter or PaceAdvantage...LOL
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