I'd like to go back in time and see...

[tzipi]

this moment in racing history. I'm leaving out Secretariats Belmont and Man O War's races because I think they would dominate the poll. Besides them,which race or moment would you like to go back in time and see in person? Races we pretty much all didn't see, I'm sure.
I'm also sure there's alot of more great moments everyone can think of but can't list them all in the poll. Feel free to list more.

[KingChas]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Feel free to list more.

I'll take you somewhere most people won't.
I would like to go back and see the greats listed above and other greats.
Maiden wins.

[46zilzal]

Jim Dandy beats the duo of Whichone Gallant Fox in the Travers in a sea of mud.

[tzipi]

I voted for the Quashed-Omaha race. I think it would be great to go back and watch the filly Quashed beat the great Omaha over that distance at big odds infront of that many people. Read about the race a couple of times and it's listed in certain circles as one of the great races of all time. I think the crowd attendance adds to it also. Anyway, everyone should have fun with it.

To Zil. Jim Dandy race would've been great to watch too. The owner knew how much he loved the mud. I'm sure he cleaned up

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

Nice poll. Too many good options, but I would have loved to see Saratoga in 1863.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by tzipi

To Zil. Jim Dandy race would've been great to watch too. The owner knew how much he loved the mud. I'm sure he cleaned up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRIrN8AibSY

Don't think so.....It was a classic lesson in overconfidence

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRIrN8AibSY

Don't think so.....It was a classic lesson in overconfidence

Jim Dandy the “mud-loving, mud-running fool from California” LOVED the mud again that day. The mile-and-a-quarter Travers was carded as the fifth race. Jim Dandy's trainer, James B. McKee, had also entered him in the fourth race, a one-mile handicap and a much easier spot. Comes up a fast track and they enter in tthe easier spot. Plus,Gallant Fox hated the mud.
Also Dandy had Jim Dandy had what trainers call eggshell hooves, which are thinly walled and can be painful when running on fast tracks. Could run like the wind in the mud.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Jim Dandy the “mud-loving, mud-running fool from California” LOVED the mud again that day. Fast track and Dandy does not win that race IMO. Gallant Fox hated the mud.

OWNED by Californian Chaffey Earl, he was hardly a California horse

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

OWNED by Californian Chaffey Earl, he was hardly a California horse

Are you just disagreeing with me on this thread just for the sake of disagreeing?

By MICHAEL VEITCH
On Horse Racing

With the Jim Dandy Stakes just three weeks from Saturday, the “Travers Watch” is heating up.

To be run for the 47th time on July 31, the $500,000 event at 1-1/8 miles is the major Saratoga prep for the $1 million Travers Stakes on Aug. 28 at 1¼ miles.

The Jim Dandy is named for the Travers winner in 1930.

He shocked Triple Crown winner Gallant Fox, drawing away in the mud at odds of 100-to-1.

Largely overlooked by the 30,000 on hand that day at the Spa, the CALIFORNIA runner had won the 1929 Grand Union Hotel Stakes at Saratoga at odds of 50-to-1, also in the mud.

http://www.cnweekly.com/articles/201...0909514655.txt

[jognlope]

Funny Cide at the Spa. Couldn't make it over there, so never go to see my favorite one....

[KidCapper]

The year was 1983, AK-SAR-BEN ranked #9 in the NATION with an average daily attendance of 13,655. Ak-sar-ben's daily mutuel handle averaged $1,792,547 in 1985. Daily attendance averaged 16,018 in 1978.
A record crowd of 31,969 attended Ak-sar-ben on July 10, 1982. A record $3,519,883 was wagered on June 22, 1985.

I reached the legal betting age in 1988 just missing the heydey of Nebraska racing.

[Figman]

JAIPUR and RIDAN at the Spa.
They went head to head the whole 1962 Travers race.
I saw it live close to 50 years ago and have not seen such a race since then.

[46zilzal]

There was a little thing called the California blackout

The California Legislature adopted a statute in 1933 referred to as the Horse Racing Act. The statutes took effect upon adoption by the voters of an amendment to the Constitution in June of 1933. During the 1930's, 21 states brought back racetracks. New laws and automated systems made horse
racing much more honest than during the 1800s.

http://www.library.ca.gov/crb/97/03/Chapt2.html

There was a little thing called the California blackout about the time Jim Dandy was running so Aqua Caliente would have been his only haven. He first started at Churchill, went West FLOPPED and then returned to Saratoga, so few would designate this one anything but California OWNED.

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

There was a little thing called the California blackout

The California Legislature adopted a statute in 1933 referred to as the Horse Racing Act. The statutes took effect upon adoption by the voters of an amendment to the Constitution in June of 1933. During the 1930's, 21 states brought back racetracks. New laws and automated systems made horse
racing much more honest than during the 1800s.

http://www.library.ca.gov/crb/97/03/Chapt2.html

There was a little thing called the California blackout about the time Jim Dandy was running so Aqua Caliente would have been his only haven. He first started at Churchill, went West FLOPPED and then returned to Saratoga, so few would designate this one anything but California OWNED.

I don't know what your point is here Zilzal. It's a fun thread and you have to argue over everything that is said. All I said was I agree with you,the Travers was a great race. Also the reason he basically won was because of the mud which he loved. The entered him in an easier race earlier in the card in case it was not muddy. The slop was like a balm for his very tender feet. The front runners got bogged down in the sticky mud. He relished it.
You keep saying "owned"? All I wrote was a quote from the race naming him as a California horse. Also Jim Dandy was bred and first owned by W.S. Dudly, not Chaffey Earl. Jim Dandy ran in California and also in Mexico. Plus,I never came up with the phrase, "mud loving, mud running fool from California". That's a quote(how I wrote it)from the after reports of the race.

But if it makes you feel better Zil because it will be pointless to go back and forth, then I'll just agree with you.
The mud was not the reason Jim Dandy won the Travers.

Jim Dandy was not a California horse and the quote from back then that says "mud loving,mud running fool from California" is just plain wrong.

I said Jim Dandy was California "OWNED" even though I never did(only wrote a quote in which it said he was a California horse) but hey whatever makes this better.
You didn't even vote for one of the choices. Oh well enjoy

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by tzipi

You didn't even vote for one of the choices.

Because they were not very good ones.