View Poll Results: What Speed Figures do you use?
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Beyer
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135 |
30.00% |
BRIS
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192 |
42.67% |
Sheets/Rags
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89 |
19.78% |
TFUS
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113 |
25.11% |
Equibase
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90 |
20.00% |
DRF TV+TV
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95 |
21.11% |
Homemade
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96 |
21.33% |
Other
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97 |
21.56% |
I do not use speed figures
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109 |
24.22% |
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06-26-2019, 11:30 AM
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Speed Figures Revisited
It's been a while since we did this.
What speed figs do you use, if any?
You can vote for more than one.
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Last edited by Tom; 06-26-2019 at 11:32 AM.
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06-26-2019, 11:58 AM
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06-26-2019, 01:02 PM
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I use Equibase and "enhance" them.
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06-26-2019, 03:21 PM
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The older I get, the less I trust speed figures.
But I'll take TimeformUS numbers before I trust any of those other brands. The only reason I'll use BRIS is if I can't access TimeformUS for whatever reason (certain public WiFi blocks TimeformUS...or vice versa).
Last edited by letswastemoney; 06-26-2019 at 03:22 PM.
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06-26-2019, 03:42 PM
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steveb modified
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06-26-2019, 05:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
It's been a while since we did this.
What speed figs do you use, if any?
You can vote for more than one.
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By Sheets/Rags I'm assuming you include Thorograph since they are also referred to as Sheets and I don't see them otherwise listed. You might want to clarify that if not.
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06-26-2019, 05:21 PM
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I'm referring to both the Ragozin and T-Graph.
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06-27-2019, 02:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
I'm referring to both the Ragozin and T-Graph.
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Thanks for clarifying that up. That's what I thought. T-Graph and Rags are both Sheete. I asked because another poster mistakenly thought T-Graph was included under Other.
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06-27-2019, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by highnote
steveb modified
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assuming steveb is me, then modified as in how...may i ask please?
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06-27-2019, 08:06 AM
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Should HTR be included?
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06-27-2019, 08:47 AM
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To me , as long as the figures have structure and validity ...
you can make them work with a "scientific" approach....
some of you will understand what I'm saying
Mike
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06-27-2019, 10:35 AM
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When you say "do you use", does that include looking for situations where the popular figures are wrong?
I like to bet against "fast" horses a lot of people will like and on "slow" horses that people will underrate if I think the figures are wrong or misleading.
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06-27-2019, 11:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
When you say "do you use", does that include looking for situations where the popular figures are wrong?
I like to bet against "fast" horses a lot of people will like and on "slow" horses that people will underrate if I think the figures are wrong or misleading.
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Well, I checked 3 myself, so yes.
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06-27-2019, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Well, I checked 3 myself, so yes.
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So then we won't know whether people are checking figures that are right to bet on or wrong to bet against which tells us nothing about which figures people find to be the best.
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