Andy Beyer chimes in on the Derby DQ

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Nitro

No, they don’t run to the courts because I assume that they have more respect for any judgement calls that are made because there is TOTAL transparency in what the HK Jockey Club does. It benefits not only the horsemen and their connections, but the betting patrons as well.
Funny how well the Category 1 model seems to work so well in every other part of the world.

Not sure the courts have as much power in China as they have here, there is no teeth to fines and suspensions so the whole category 1 thing is a bit of a pipe dream. Suspension of a week for a derby win...which one would you take.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by delsully

Everybody keeps telling me the Derby is no different than a mid-week claimer and that a fouls a foul. Should of been handled in 5 minutes.

Not when you can get sued.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

HK Jockey Club = Jesus of Horse Racing

Now there's an intelligent remark!

PA = Perpetual Acrimony
It’s a place where conjecture and pessimism go hand in hand.

[woodbinepmi]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Not sure the courts have as much power in China as they have here, there is no teeth to fines and suspensions so the whole category 1 thing is a bit of a pipe dream. Suspension of a week for a derby win...which one would you take.

The difference in Category 1 system, the KD winner wouldn't have DQ'd because he didn't directly foul the second place runner. As a player I much prefer that system, I don't think gamblers should be punished by a foul unless it is egregious. In the four years I have been following HK I can count on ONE hand the DQ's.
Also, isn't about time that Country House retire to stud now that they can make all that money in the shed?

[turfnsport]

As tough as it was I thought it was a good DQ, but Andy certainly has me thinking..He made some good points.

Question: I am hearing a lot about how unprecedented this DQ was. But can someone tell me when the last time there was interference from the far turn to the finish line that warranted a DQ?

I can't think of one off the top of my head. I know there was a jockey objection by Invisible Ink vs. Monarchos.

[metro]

Stopped reading when Beyer said the incident only caused War of Will one length.

Glad he still plays the game if that is his typical line of reasoning.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by woodbinepmi

The difference in Category 1 system, the KD winner wouldn't have DQ'd because he didn't directly foul the second place runner. As a player I much prefer that system, I don't think gamblers should be punished by a foul unless it is egregious. In the four years I have been following HK I can count on ONE hand the DQ's.
Also, isn't about time that Country House retire to stud now that they can make all that money in the shed?

I think the riders here are much more aggressive and would completely abuse a system like that here they get a hand slap after the fact (and here a hand slap is about all they can do.)

[letswastemoney]

It only shocks me how many people think leaving Maximum Security up would have been a good idea. The total disregard for bettors who backed War of Will is disappointing.

[dilanesp]

It's worth noting that Hong Kong races on grass and polytrack, and the main racetrack there, Sha Tin, has very long straightaways and wide turns where there is lots of room to maneuver and move out without cutting anyone off. So they probably have less fouls there. (Happy Valley, the other track there, races less often, but it's a bullring, so I can imagine some more stuff goes on there. But none of the major stakes races are run there.)

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by metro

Stopped reading when Beyer said the incident only caused War of Will one length.

Glad he still plays the game if that is his typical line of reasoning.

It wouldn't be wise to book Beyer's racetrack wagers, IMO.

[cj]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It's worth noting that Hong Kong races on grass and polytrack, and the main racetrack there, Sha Tin, has very long straightaways and wide turns where there is lots of room to maneuver and move out without cutting anyone off. So they probably have less fouls there. (Happy Valley, the other track there, races less often, but it's a bullring, so I can imagine some more stuff goes on there. But none of the major stakes races are run there.)

The all weather course is actually dirt, not synthetic.

[AskinHaskin]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

Maximum Security... deserved to be placed in history as the best horse in the 145th Kentucky derby

Well, you got the right owner at least.

The best horse would have topped Maximum Security by 5 if given the same trip as Maximum Security.

[cj]

Originally Posted by AskinHaskin

Well, you got the right owner at least.

The best horse would have topped Maximum Security by 5 if given the same trip as Maximum Security.

He's not fast enough early to get that trip.

[Clydepuckett]

He's not fast enough early to get that trip.

Yeah he is. Called Omaha Beach.....

[BlueChip@DRF]

Originally Posted by Clydepuckett

Yeah he is. Called Omaha Beach.....

You gotta be in the race to win it.