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Old 05-17-2019, 12:16 PM   #1
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William Hill - short pay - won't pay track odds

really bad beat even though he won

some William Hill locations are parimutuel and if he had bet there he would have been paid track odds

but the William Hill location he bet at was not parimutuel

how many people would know that? I would guess not many

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Old 05-17-2019, 01:41 PM   #2
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You would think that someone who makes exotic wagers of that size would bother to read up on the rules of the betting establishment that he frequents.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:47 PM   #3
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You would think that someone who makes exotic wagers of that size would bother to read up on the rules of the betting establishment that he frequents.
Agree, no real sympathy for this guy.
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He's also considering a lawsuit because the girls sent to his room don't resemble the ones pictured on the hand-out cards on the blvd.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:54 PM   #5
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i wonder if the place that the bettor bet at was parimutuel for everything but the big racing days, or if it is always non-parimutuel?
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:54 PM   #6
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Different take. He was betting numbers. $40 exacta box. He's a Dr. and that is likely small change to him. Got beat by fine print. Plus, siding with the House not in my DNA.
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Different take. He was betting numbers. $40 exacta box. He's a Dr. and that is likely small change to him. Got beat by fine print. Plus, siding with the House not in my DNA.
"Betting numbers"? The guy had the trifecta for $40!
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the tape showed a sign that it was a non-parimutuel location.

i just wondered because i made a horse bet at William Hill in Monmouth that wasn't parimutel last year on the Haskell.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:27 PM   #9
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the tape showed a sign that it was a non-parimutuel location.
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I retract my 1st post then. The sign is Big and Right there.. Yes, he should of been at least smart enough to adjust the base bet.
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Gary West called him today to try to make it a class action law suit.
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Old 05-17-2019, 03:22 PM   #11
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If it's not offering parimutuel payouts past a certain limit, why not have fixed odds? Maybe because it's trying to give the illusion of offering parimutuel payouts?

Is William Hill paying into purse accounts from the takeout on these bets? If not, I cannot see why or how a non-parimutuel bookmaker should even exist in the US
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If it's not offering parimutuel payouts past a certain limit, why not have fixed odds? Maybe because it's trying to give the illusion of offering parimutuel payouts?

Is William Hill paying into purse accounts from the takeout on these bets? If not, I cannot see why or how a non-parimutuel bookmaker should even exist in the US
they're willing to speculate that their bettors are going to lose overall just as all the bettors as a whole do in parimutuel wagering. and I have no doubt that with the huge takeout they do well in the long run with this

but their willingness to speculate does not include having to pay giant hits

overseas books that I used to play used to do the same thing

they would also limit the bet size to $250 at little tracks and $500 for large tracks

otherwise sharps could spot a very likely strong horse to show at some of the little tracks where the show pool wasn't efficient and crush it

bet $10K to show and get paid back maybe $2.80 where if they put the money into the parimutuel system they would have shot themselves in the foot and the bet would have only paid $2.10. 8 times the profit

I was wondering whether William Hill at its non parimutuel locations also limited the bet size especially at the little tracks

I would guess that they do
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He's also considering a lawsuit because the girls sent to his room don't resemble the ones pictured on the hand-out cards on the blvd.
exactly-false advertising
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If it's not offering parimutuel payouts past a certain limit, why not have fixed odds? Maybe because it's trying to give the illusion of offering parimutuel payouts?

Is William Hill paying into purse accounts from the takeout on these bets? If not, I cannot see why or how a non-parimutuel bookmaker should even exist in the US
Good point. I retract my earlier retraction.
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He's also considering a lawsuit because the girls sent to his room don't resemble the ones pictured on the hand-out cards on the blvd.

I once had this date with this babe I met on Fakebook
man, she looked HOT!!! on her Fakebook page


and then I actually met her in person. well, you know the rest
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