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05-14-2019, 11:40 PM
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#106
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Counter Argument
Here's a different theory from an experienced veteran rider.
Far less "grassy knoll" content.
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05-15-2019, 12:18 AM
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#107
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
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Migliore has never impressed me as an analyst, and this is bad analysis (and a smear against the Kentucky stewards, who are the heroes in this story).
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05-15-2019, 01:28 AM
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#108
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
Six crippled or dead jockeys and horses at Kentucky Derby is a bad headline.
Racing dodged a bullet.
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Run this race enough times and there will probably be a human fatality. Will it be next year or 200 years from now? No one knows. But it will probably happen someday.
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05-15-2019, 01:46 AM
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#109
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Migliore has never impressed me as an analyst, and this is bad analysis (and a smear against the Kentucky stewards, who are the heroes in this story).
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05-15-2019, 02:23 AM
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#110
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Originally Posted by cj
I definitely think there was some race riding going on there.
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You have a platform that people pay money to hear from.
Have you tweeted or blogged about thinking the foul was intentional? Have you contacted Ray Paulick?
Race riding is always intentional after all.
What's funny is that War of Will has to win the Preakness now, and Pratt and Gafflione cannot risk to ride aggressively for the foreseeable future, to retain any good will.
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05-15-2019, 02:27 AM
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#111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Migliore has never impressed me as an analyst, and this is bad analysis (and a smear against the Kentucky stewards, who are the heroes in this story).
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If you mean in a Danerys buring down King's landing sort of way.
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05-15-2019, 07:50 AM
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#112
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Nope. Never stated that ANYWHERE on this forum or anywhere else.
Should I add liar to the list of adjectives that describe you?
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Even I can tell it ....
..was sarcasm just LIKE you and other's do ALL the time...  
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05-15-2019, 09:20 AM
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#113
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Originally Posted by papillon
What's funny is that War of Will has to win the Preakness now, and Pratt and Gafflione cannot risk to ride aggressively for the foreseeable future, to retain any good will.
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WoW doesn't have to win the Preakness to prove anything. The fact that he was deprived of a chance to place in the top 5 was already demonstrated. One doesn't determine fouls by what happens in later races where a horse can go off form, have another bad trip or face other new and possibly better horses.
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05-15-2019, 09:38 AM
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#114
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Originally Posted by azeri98
If it is truly about horse safety there shouldn't be a 20 horse field,It's a cavalry charge at the quarter pole. You can't judge this race the same as any other if it's a typical race with 6-7 horses and it happens then fine, but all these horses are looking for a place to go, in a 20 horse field you have to allow for more
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No, with a 20 horse field you have to be even stricter with the rules. In any case swerving out dangerously and interfering with other horses is still a foul no matter the size of the field. For the record, i have always argued against the size of the Derby field. The rules still apply.
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05-15-2019, 09:41 AM
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#115
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Originally Posted by Gold Medal
Horses have to check all the time in the ky derby ( war of will ) or bumped a little ( long range toddy ) its just the nature of the race but good horses over come it and mediocre horses fade back to 8th and 17th
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Wrong. Even Secretariat, no less, finished 4th in his debut because he got bumped coming out of the gate.
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05-15-2019, 10:02 AM
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#116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobphilo
Wrong. Even Secretariat, no less, finished 4th in his debut because he got bumped coming out of the gate.
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And after that he hung back at the break until the Belmont.
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05-15-2019, 10:06 AM
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#117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobphilo
Wrong. Even Secretariat, no less, finished 4th in his debut because he got bumped coming out of the gate.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceBored
And after that he hung back at the break until the Belmont.
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19 horse fields in both those races, right?
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05-15-2019, 10:10 AM
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#118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Migliore has never impressed me as an analyst, and this is bad analysis (and a smear against the Kentucky stewards, who are the heroes in this story).
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It's your "intentional" theory I object to.
Absolute bunk.
Like maneuvering a Rolls Royce around in demolition derby. 
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05-15-2019, 10:54 AM
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#119
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elhelmete
19 horse fields in both those races, right?
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Not sure what your point is. The Derby was 13 and his first race had 12. Bobphilo's point seemed to be that getting bumped at the break can cost even the best horse a better placing, and mine was that sometimes it has effects that extend further than just that one race. I don't see how having even more horses in those races would change those points.
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05-15-2019, 11:01 AM
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#120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceBored
Not sure what your point is. The Derby was 13 and his first race had 12. Bobphilo's point seemed to be that getting bumped at the break can cost even the best horse a better placing, and mine was that sometimes it has effects that extend further than just that one race. I don't see how having even more horses in those races would change those points.
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His MSW has 12 and Belmont had 5. Making up lost ground at the start is easier when you have fewer horses in front of you to maneuver around.
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