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05-02-2010, 07:39 AM
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IF Calvin knows..how come no one else does?
We have watched Calvin Borel the last 4 years at CD use every part of the track to his advantage...We have seen him win the derby 3 of last 4 ...riding the same way
WE have seen him ride the undercard races and win THE SAME WAY...
Doesnt any other jockey in the racing colony know (just from watching Borel)THAT THE RAIL WAS THE BEST PLACE TO BE...
I dont get it....how come the other knuckleheads dont see the same thing??
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05-02-2010, 09:38 AM
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Calvin knows
I think that there is a difference in riding the rail..some won't ride the rail...others think riding the rail means being the inside horse maybe 3 to 4 feet off the rail...Calvin scrapes the rail- I mean scrapes it close...I really would like to see his left boot. Does not always work at other tracks but
CD is unique.
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05-02-2010, 09:49 AM
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A lot of jockeys do it. They look good when a hole opens up, but boy do they get raked over the coals when it doesn't. How many post have seen on Ramon D. and Gomez after one their horses gets beat because there was no hole. Some jockeys are scared to do it after they have been hurt falling offing a horse that was shut off. JMO
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05-02-2010, 10:08 AM
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Ainslie got it right when he coined the phrase/word pinheads. Otherwise they'd be doing something else, other than risking their lives. Name one Jockey qualified to predict a Triple Crown Winner other than Ronnie Franklin?
Borel's opinions are his and his alone. He has nothing to back them up with at this point.
Maybe it's a sign of the times that people speak too soon.
Last edited by Buckeye; 05-02-2010 at 10:14 AM.
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05-02-2010, 10:27 AM
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maximan
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C Borel
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05-02-2010, 10:31 AM
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When I watched the replay, it appeared (to me) that Borel picked a spot behind a horse that he thought was going to fail. When the horse gave up he simply dodged him and went on by. From there it was clear sailing.
My question is, "Is he really that smart?" or did it just turn out that way this time?
Dave
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05-02-2010, 10:37 AM
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They interviewed him before the race and he said what he was planning to do...for all to hear...and he did it. I guess he really is that smart
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05-02-2010, 10:47 AM
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Winning three out of four Derbys has to speak for itself.
If only I could have cashed a ticket in three of the last four...
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05-02-2010, 10:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
When I watched the replay, it appeared (to me) that Borel picked a spot behind a horse that he thought was going to fail. When the horse gave up he simply dodged him and went on by. From there it was clear sailing.
My question is, "Is he really that smart?" or did it just turn out that way this time?
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I think Calvin thought the 12 would drift out, as tiring horses usually do, but when it didn't he made a quick move around it and then ducked inside the 3 back to the rail.
Also, down the backstretch when Calvin dropped to about 6th, those other horses, especially the 3, had a chance to get on the rail but didn't try.
Either they just don't get it or have no balls. Calvin gets it and has got the balls to do it. He also has an uncanny ability to anticipate what's going to happen in front of him.
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05-02-2010, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pell Mell
I think Calvin thought the 12 would drift out, as tiring horses usually do, but when it didn't he made a quick move around it and then ducked inside the 3 back to the rail.
Also, down the backstretch when Calvin dropped to about 6th, those other horses, especially the 3, had a chance to get on the rail but didn't try.
Either they just don't get it or have no balls. Calvin gets it and has got the balls to do it. He also has an uncanny ability to anticipate what's going to happen in front of him.
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05-02-2010, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pell Mell
I think Calvin thought the 12 would drift out, as tiring horses usually do, but when it didn't he made a quick move around it and then ducked inside the 3 back to the rail.
Also, down the backstretch when Calvin dropped to about 6th, those other horses, especially the 3, had a chance to get on the rail but didn't try.
Either they just don't get it or have no balls. Calvin gets it and has got the balls to do it. He also has an uncanny ability to anticipate what's going to happen in front of him.
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Gomez tried to do the same thing only a few more lengths futher back and how did that work out for him? I have seen Borel try this when it didn't work. Most of the time there is hole, but sometimes there is not. And some times there may be a hole but the horse won't go through it. JMO
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05-02-2010, 12:37 PM
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When Conveyance tired Calvin moved around him quickly and beat Desormeaux and Paddy to the spot. Paddy then checked for a bit behind a rapidly reversing Sidney's Candy and Calvin was gone.
He's got better timing and bigger balls.
PS-I watched the Derby at Evangeline Downs (as a result of the TwinSprires problems I dashed up there)...what a scene.
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05-02-2010, 12:53 PM
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I have watched carefully and come to the conclusion that Calvin Borel is blessed at Churchill Downs, just like Pat Day was. It was passed down to him in a secret ceremony.
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05-02-2010, 01:34 PM
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If Borel was riding in the days of Hartack or Cordero and he tried his tricks, he would likely have zero Derby wins and a bunch of broken bones. Those guys were ruthless and their types don't exist today.
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05-02-2010, 01:41 PM
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a lesson learned
many, many, years ago i actually drove in harness races. i will never forget my first few efforts as a provisional driver.
first off, i was convinced each horse i drove was capable of winning the race, and it was simply a matter of me making the right moves at the right times.
my first half dozen races were abysmal efforts of over driving my horses which ended up in my getting in the way of legitimate contenders in the race. believe me, i heard about it afterward.
my first real learning experience came in a cheap claiming race in which i had the 8 hole on a 1/2 mile track (death) with an old horse i also trained. the old boy wasn't at the top of his game and was pretty ouchy and for the first time in my young driving career i conceeded defeat before the race. in my mind, i had NO CHANCE. as the gate sprung, i took a hold of him and guided him to the rail. i was now more observer than participant. twice around the little 1/2 miler we went. in front of me i saw the race unfold because i could "see them all". i saw other drivers pull and make the front while others pulled and floundered two and eventually three wide.
without even realizing it, my old boy, well in hand having never been used, was progressing steadily up the inside. to my amazement, as we came off turn 4, only the leader and a horse first over, who was out of gas, remained in front of us.
i eased up into that pocket and as the "first over" horse packed it in, i slid out and wore j.p. morel and his favored horse down to win my first parimutuel race. my horse paid $90 plus dollars and i had zero on him.
the point is, sometimes less can be more. many horses are simply overdriven or overridden. to do what borel does takes extreme confidence and extreme patience which other riders simply do not possess.
in the end it always takes the horse but less can be more when it comes to the rider.
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