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06-27-2020, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Hey Mr. Exposed Nerve Twitter Man...cj's first sentence specifically says he's not claiming it's a fixed race.
Reading is FUNdaMENTAL.
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Like I said. I was reacting to Twitter. Sometimes I know what I have to say is going to be long and use this forum. I acknowledged what CJ said and explained it. Want me to simonize your car too?
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06-28-2020, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Hey Mr. Exposed Nerve Twitter Man...cj's first sentence specifically says he's not claiming it's a fixed race.
Reading is FUNdaMENTAL.
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I'll defend Vic on this one. Our old friend EMD4ME is on Twitter proclaiming that it was definitely a fix. When I saw CJ's post, I knew he had probably seen the post as well. I'm sure the same thing ran through Vic's head.
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06-28-2020, 02:10 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by PressThePace
I'll defend Vic on this one. Our old friend EMD4ME is on Twitter proclaiming that it was definitely a fix. When I saw CJ's post, I knew he had probably seen the post as well. I'm sure the same thing ran through Vic's head.
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I commented on this race immediately on Twitter. I didn't see the other. I'm not in the habit of saying a rider fixed a race. I remember one indecent in Louisiana where it was obvious three riders tried, but failed, to fix a trifecta. But that is about it.
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06-28-2020, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I commented on this race immediately on Twitter. I didn't see the other. I'm not in the habit of saying a rider fixed a race. I remember one indecent in Louisiana where it was obvious three riders tried, but failed, to fix a trifecta. But that is about it.
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Fixed races happen but 99% of the time it's just some bad judgement by the rider. I find that the less one knows about the sport the more often you hear them say the race was fixed.
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06-28-2020, 02:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I commented on this race immediately on Twitter. I didn't see the other. I'm not in the habit of saying a rider fixed a race. I remember one indecent in Louisiana where it was obvious three riders tried, but failed, to fix a trifecta. But that is about it.
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Oh, I'm in agreement. I'm just defending Vic's previous comment about why he even mentioned fixing. If I had commented, I probably would have mentioned it as well even though you prefaced your comment at the beginning of the thread. I'm sure race-fixing has happened, but I don' think Irad would be that sought after if he was involved in something like that.
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06-28-2020, 02:46 PM
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Anyone that actually pays attention to Irad Ortiz ride could NEVER sanely accuse him of cheating. The guy will pretty much do anything he can to win. He's as competitive as anyone you will see. Bad riding judgement? Surely you will see that sometimes, though on the grass he's extraordinarily good, and his flaws, like what happened earlier this week, are easily predictable. They don't get punished as much on turf as they do on dirt, which is why he is so much better on that surface.
These narratives are unfortunate because they hinder learning, and Twitter has become a place where a lot of relative newcomers to the game will go, and seeing that kind of drivel will lead them badly astray. It plays into people's worst instincts.....conspiracies.
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06-28-2020, 02:55 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by the little guy
Anyone that actually pays attention to Irad Ortiz ride could NEVER sanely accuse him of cheating. The guy will pretty much do anything he can to win. He's as competitive as anyone you will see. Bad riding judgement? Surely you will see that sometimes, though on the grass he's extraordinarily good, and his flaws, like what happened earlier this week, are easily predictable. They don't get punished as much on turf as they do on dirt, which is why he is so much better on that surface.
These narratives are unfortunate because they hinder learning, and Twitter has become a place where a lot of relative newcomers to the game will go, and seeing that kind of drivel will lead them badly astray. It plays into people's worst instincts.....conspiracies.
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Irad makes a ton of money. He'd have to be nuts to even entertain the idea of trying to fix a race.
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06-28-2020, 09:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Irad makes a ton of money. He'd have to be nuts to even entertain the idea of trying to fix a race.
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They used to say the same thing about Herve Fillion 😊😊😊
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06-28-2020, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PressThePace
I'll defend Vic on this one. Our old friend EMD4ME is on Twitter proclaiming that it was definitely a fix. When I saw CJ's post, I knew he had probably seen the post as well. I'm sure the same thing ran through Vic's head.
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Link? I miss EMD4ME...and I don't know how to look him up myself. 
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06-28-2020, 09:57 PM
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Link? I miss EMD4ME...and I don't know how to look him up myself. |
https://twitter.com/EMD4ME
He does say Irad stiffed.
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06-28-2020, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
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What a useless communication venue Twitter has turned out to be. Totally unappetizing. 
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06-28-2020, 11:41 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What a useless communication venue Twitter has turned out to be. Totally unappetizing. |
Yep. I hate it. But I read it occasionally when news breaks.
Btw, they could fix it in five minutes.
Charge to use it.
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06-29-2020, 12:22 AM
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The horse broke her maiden wire to wire. Then put into a G!, was rated, and finished off the board. The horse gets the lead, at slow pace, and the jockey pulls her off the lead, and put her in the same position where she had proven, did not like to be. And was doing this because the owner and / or trainer said to rate her? Really stupid decision in the connections part, IMO.
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06-29-2020, 02:26 AM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What a useless communication venue Twitter has turned out to be. Totally unappetizing. |
Shocking...
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06-29-2020, 09:06 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What a useless communication venue Twitter has turned out to be. Totally unappetizing. |
Agree - you should tweet that out!
BUT, some people have been able to use it effectively - CJ for one, Andy for another....I follow a lot of horse people but essentially no one else. Steve Byk, for sure.
Only as good as the fingers keying in the tweets.
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