AQ purses for fall/winter

[Robert Goren]

Anyone actually believe that we still won't be getting a healthy dose of 4 and 5 horse fields this winter. I could swore last year they thought 7 horses was a full field. I am hopeful that they will actually do something for the bettor, not just throw a bunch of money at horsemen and claim that it is helping the bettors. But I am not holding my breath.

[GatetoWire]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

New Yorkers go to Florida in the winter. Floridans do not go to New York in the winter. That all you need to know. You will be able count on one hand the number of horses that will stay in New York instead of shipping to Florida.

I disagree with this view.

The cost of shipping to Florida, plus the cost of keeping one in Florida and then shipping horses back to NY in the spring will cause lots of owners to decide to stay in NY this winter.

Turf horses and young horses will still go south but the I can see most of the big NY stables keeping more horses in NY for the winter than they have in the past.

I also think this could hurt the Fair Grounds and Oaklawn.

Some of the Churchill guys that go to NOLA and Hot Springs might decide to ship some of there raceway horses to NY.

[TravisVOX]

We are not talking small increases. The difference is meaningful and is very likely a deal breaker for many outfits. It might not happen in one season, but those purses are legit.

[MickJ26]

Once the Count Fleet and Whirlaway become graded, and they will if the purses go up, why ship to Florida if you believe you have a quality Derby prospect?

[trigger]

Numbers down at Aqueduct

Posted: Friday, May 12, 2000

While handle figures remained virtually unchanged, attendance figures slipped during the recently concluded Aqueduct winter/spring meet.

Average daily attendance during the 87-day meeting was 5,315, a decrease of 5.6% from last year's average for 91 days.

The New York Racing Association reported that average daily total handle was $8,787,452, down less than 1% from the previous year, while average daily on-track handle was $1,637,868, a decrease of 2.7%.

Total commingled handle for the entire meet was $764,247,364, including $149,045,956 wagered on track. Total attendance for the 87-day meeting was 462,390.

Daily average purses increased 8.2% to $353,850, and the average overnight purse was up nearly 5.4% to $35,786.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...-aqueduct.aspx

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Renovations Add Excitement to Aqueduct Fall Meet

By Blood-Horse Staff

Updated: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:01 AM
Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:50 AM

Earlier this month, New York Racing Association President and Chief Executive Officer Charles E. Hayward announced purse increases through the final day of Aqueduct’s Fall Meet, Dec. 30. Daily average purses are projected to rise approximately 12 percent or $43,800 from $365,000 during the corresponding meet last year, to $408,800 this year.


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Aqueduct to boost purses by $8.6-million
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:25 PM


The New York Racing Association will boost purses for the upcoming winter-spring meet at Aqueduct by about $8.6-million due to the expected fall opening of Genting’s Resorts World New York Casino at the track.

The new purse structure, which goes into effect January 1, is a 36% increase compared with last year.

“The 2012 Aqueduct winter-spring meet marks a new era for our purse structures,” said NYRA President Charles Hayward. “The opening of Genting’s Resorts World New York Casino is a highly anticipated event that will benefit all of the stakeholders at Aqueduct, Belmont Park, and Saratoga Race Course. Increased purses will help bring more top owners, trainers, and horses to our tracks, create larger fields for our customers to wager on, and generate higher handle for our races.”

The average purses structure for the meet will increase to approximately $375,000 per day, $100,000 more than during the this year’s meet.

Every race category will receive a purse increase, with route races having larger purses than sprints.
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...st-purses.aspx

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MickJ26

Once the Count Fleet and Whirlaway become graded, and they will if the purses go up, why ship to Florida if you believe you have a quality Derby prospect?

How many legitimate triple crown horses have come through these races?

[MickJ26]

Originally Posted by Tom

How many legitimate triple crown horses have come through these races?

Right now, none, because these are ungraded stakes. In the next couple of years, when these races become graded, you'll see Derby quality horses in here.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Tom

How many legitimate triple crown horses have come through these races?

Smarty Jones won the Count Fleet.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

New Yorkers go to Florida in the winter. Floridans do not go to New York in the winter. That all you need to know. You will be able count on one hand the number of horses that will stay in New York instead of shipping to Florida.

Once again you post something insane.

What is to prevent a trainer from going to Florida and leaving his assistant trainer in NY to take care of his horses?

Why in the world would you ship a low level claimer or starter allowance horse to Florida when the purses in NY will be much higher? Why would you want to ship any horse that is partial to the inner surface at Aqueduct? Why would you want the added expense of shipping?

Harness owners and trainers have proven it time and time again they go where the money is. Just take a look at the races the Meadowlands run now and the quality of the horses. Horses go where the money is. How many owners and trainers have stated if you raise the purse we will race there?

This is the first of many purses that will go through the roof. Being a former Brooklynite who lived 15 minutes from the Big A the casino is going to be a huge success. They will have all the boroughs within a 45 minutes drive and most much closer. When it become a full blown one in future years it will rival any Vegas one in revenue per person.

I have one more tidbit for you maybe Al can back me up. When I was growing up there were so many illegal Las Vegas nights in churches and synagogues it wasn't funny. On the weekends it was jammed and this was during the late 60's and early 70's. So now when its completely legal why would one think it wouldn't be a complete success?

I'm done.

[OTM Al]

Can't back you up as an eye-witness as I was a transplant in 1992, but I do lnow what you say is true and while the magnitude has lessened I can say if you walk into many a Catholic church social event with a roll of tickets and yell "50-50" you'll sell out many an illegal lottery.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by GatetoWire

I disagree with this view.

The cost of shipping to Florida, plus the cost of keeping one in Florida and then shipping horses back to NY in the spring will cause lots of owners to decide to stay in NY this winter.

Turf horses and young horses will still go south but the I can see most of the big NY stables keeping more horses in NY for the winter than they have in the past.

I also think this could hurt the Fair Grounds and Oaklawn.

Some of the Churchill guys that go to NOLA and Hot Springs might decide to ship some of there raceway horses to NY.

The cost to ship a horse from NY to Fla, either PM or GP is $800 each way.The cost to keep the horses in Fl is the same as NY or even a bit less. Owners also want to take advantage of the nice weather Florida has to offer and many do not like the Aqueduct inner.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Smarty Jones won the Count Fleet.

That's one.

[Cholly]

Originally Posted by MickJ26

Once the Count Fleet and Whirlaway become graded, and they will if the purses go up, why ship to Florida if you believe you have a quality Derby prospect?

I hope NYRA will opt-out of the industry-wide frenzy of showering money on stakes races for 3yo colts; those races already receive a hugely disproportionate amount of what purse monies are available. Direct the dough to the owners putting on everyday racing—they’re the one’s who need it.

Nobody has mentioned the extra five grand for allowance routes as opposed to allowance sprints. I’m not sure why they’re doing it, but I like it— two-turn miles on the inner are my favorite races to watch/bet.

Another significant note in that press release is that 10K claimers will now race for $30,000; that’s big.

[pondman]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

New Yorkers go to Florida in the winter. Floridans do not go to New York in the winter. That all you need to know. You will be able count on one hand the number of horses that will stay in New York instead of shipping to Florida.

The horsemen will follow the money.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Tom

That's one.

Prairie Bayou won the Whirlaway.

I get what you're saying, and the top TC horses will continue to go to a warmer climate, but as those purses increase, and likely then become Graded, you will have to see eventual increased participation...especially when inevitably these barns have a bigger Winter presence.

It's Tricky, a double Grade 1 winner, and leader in her division, wintered in NY. Stay Thirsty, the very possible 3YO champ, won the Gotham on the Inner. The list of quality horses that raced on the inner this past year ( like Ruler on Ice, who won the Belmont ) is fairly substantial. You can't honestly say there is no precident for good horses running at Aqueduct in the Winter. The purse increases only make this more likely.