Where should Zenyatta and Rachel meet? - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

ZephyrHawk · 01-19-2010, 12:44 PM

Yes, I'm new here, but I've been a racing fan for a long time and figure this post is as good a way as any to introduce myself. So, where do you think our two great fillies of 2009 should fulfill their destinies and meet and why? What track/date/surface would be best for them and for the sport as a whole?

Personally, I'm hoping for the (new) La Troienne Stakes. Why? Because I just picked up tickets to my first ever Oaks/Derby, and I want to see the race of the century.

Robert Goren · 01-19-2010, 12:53 PM

I would be happy with 10F race on the dirt.

Norm · 01-19-2010, 01:14 PM

Is it possible that it would be in the best interests of the sport, that these two should not meet at all ?? Any race they may enter will give one or the other an advantage. There would be no such thing as a "fair for all" match-up. The excellent Zenyatta, is a poly specialist and, to be honest if not politically correct, mares don't age gracefully and Zenyatta is now 6. Superstar Rachel Alexandra, on the other hand, will not (and should not) race on plastic and there is at least a shadow of a doubt about her ability to get the classic 10 furlongs. Perhaps the sport should let them both bask in the glow of their accomplishments and just let us debate forever as to which one is best. If they race, one of them will lose and there will be a hat-full of excuses no matter which one it is.

W2G · 01-19-2010, 01:50 PM

I hope they do hook up this year and do it when the general public is paying attention to horse racing. Let's see... that leaves us with only the first Saturday in May.

CD just released their stakes schedule but why not a late change.

Sure, move the La Troienne to Derby Day, run it at 9 panels and bump the purse way up. It'll be a 4 horse field but they can meet again in the Classic.

What is the Derby Day attendance record anyway?

DJofSD · 01-19-2010, 01:59 PM

Pacific Classic.

Kimsus · 01-19-2010, 02:02 PM

Knowing Jess Jackson he'll probably put the precurser of getting a 5 lb weight advantage, a speed favoring track, a race less than 1 1/8 before taking on Zenyatta. He wants a stacked deck or it will be excuse time.

tzipi · 01-19-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimsus

Knowing Jess Jackson he'll probably put the precurser of getting a 5 lb weight advantage, a speed favoring track, a race less than 1 1/8 before taking on Zenyatta. He wants a stacked deck or it will be excuse time.

Not true. Jackson went to alot of different states and tracks. He ran her on fast tracks and muddy tracks. She won on the lead and from off the lead. Against girls,boys,and older males. And why less than 1/8? She won by double digits lengths at races that were 1 1/8. So we know he doesn't need anything stacked in his favor.
Now Moss on the other hand stayed in one state,one one surface,which favors Zenyattas closing ablility. He also scratched out of a Kentucky race because it rained a bit.
Why just make something up? You know what Jackson did with his horse compared to Moss.

Kimsus · 01-19-2010, 02:29 PM

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Not true. Jackson went to alot of different states and tracks. He ran her on fast tracks and muddy tracks. She won on the lead and from off the lead. Against girls,boys,and older males. So we know what he does. Now Moss on the other hand stayed in one state,one one surface,which favors Zenyattas closing ablility.

I guess my point is he knows where to pick spots where he is 1-5 in most races, think about it, other than the Preakness when has she raced when it was a challenge? When you could say she's not an almost lock to win the race.

46zilzal · 01-19-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I would be happy with 10F race on the dirt.

that would do nicely.

I would steer completely away from any field less than 8 graded stakes starters.

tzipi · 01-19-2010, 02:33 PM

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I guess my point is he knows where to pick spots where he is 1-5 in most races, think about it, other than the Preakness when has she raced when it was a challenge? When you could say she's not an almost lock to win the race.

Picking easy spots is taking a 3yo filly to the Preakness,Haskell and Woodward! "Locks to win"? Geez

Zenyatta stayed in one place against the same overmatched girls while running on one surface!

46zilzal · 01-19-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tzipi

Picking easy spots is taking a 3yo filly to the Preakness,Haskell and Woodward! "Locks to win"? Geez

Zenyatta stayed in one place against the same overmatched girls while running on one surface!

Then BLEW by the best the world had to offer from last to first beating the older turf champion easily.

tzipi · 01-19-2010, 02:43 PM

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Then BLEW by the best the world had to offer from last to first beating the older turf champion easily.

Did you read the post? It was about someone saying Jackson picking easy spots. No Moss picked easy spots. Yes then one "dirt" race over a turf horse over a fake dirt track.
This was about picking easy spots over the year not about one "dirt" race over a turf horse who would have ran in the Turf Classic if BC was at a dirt track.

Let me pick easy spots for my horse this year..hmmmm let's see Preakness,Haskell and Woodward are the biggest cakewalks in racing history

Kimsus · 01-19-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tzipi

Picking easy spots is taking a 3yo filly to the Preakness,Haskell and Woodward! "Locks to win"? Geez

Zenyatta stayed in one place against the same overmatched girls while running on one surface!

Preakness excluded when you are the overwhelming favorite in all of your races at even money or less, it doesn't indicate you are picking challenging spots.

tzipi · 01-19-2010, 02:48 PM

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Preakness excluded when you are the overwhelming favorite in all of your races at even money or less, it doesn't indicate you are picking challenging spots.

Do you even know the sport?????? So Secretariat picked EASY SPOTS because he was heavy favorite in all the races! Cigar picked easy spots because he was heavy favorite! man O War,etc How stupid!

Dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. It's an easy spot if you are heavy favorite.

News Flash: Secretariat's connections picked easiest spots so Sec could win! Wow shocking.

Kimsus · 01-19-2010, 02:50 PM

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Do you even know the sport?????? So Secretariat picked EASY SPOTS because he was heavy favorite in all the races! Cigar Picked Easy spots because he was heavy favorites! How stupid!

Dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. It's an easy spot if you are heavy favorite. has nothing to do with the horse being lights out talent.

What was so tough about the Mother Goose? Explain that to us? Or the Kentucky Oaks? Retrospectively do you think the Woodward would rank as one of the best handicap fields this yr, other than Mine That Bird(who has not won since the derby) who was so tough to beat in the Preakness?