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06-20-2016, 10:37 PM
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He does. That was just totally disengenuous and a complete eat my weapon moment.
Simply, the ultimate foot soldier.
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Know your role and shut your hole.
Good advice.
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06-20-2016, 11:09 PM
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Know your role and shut your hole.
Good advice.
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True enough!
He was a super cop wannabee, that didn't know that a billionaire's family wouldn't ever take kindly to being told to STFU, from time to time. He was also a lightweight in the job of a lifetime.
He knew it and they knew it.
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06-21-2016, 08:23 AM
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Paul Manafort has been running Trump's campaign for a few months now. How do you think there was that 1-2 weeks of a Trump love-fest with many GOP pooh-bahs endorsing him and proclaiming unity in the party? Manafort's 'office' is in The Donald's office in Trump Tower. They are together all day long there. Manafort is a real pro too - a pro's pro.
Trump was loyal to Lewandowski from Day One because he (Cory) orchestrated the upset primary win in NH that started the Trump Train to roll.
All the very negative Trump talk this past week all seemed in conclude with some knock on the ground-game, or lack thereof. A few said winning the nomination is different than winning a national campaign, which is true. This chatter made it easy for Trump to 'fire' Cory. But as I said, Cory was really fired many weeks ago.
All you liberals and Trump haters better enjoy the next few days because as of right now Trump begins his march to the sea -- actually the sea being Chesapeake River, lol, lol -- as the road to the White House is much clearer and nearer.
Hillary, Obama, Biden and lying Lizzie Warren are now toast, each despicable one of them.
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I thought Trump hired only the best and brightest. Why wasn't Paul put in place from day one if he's the best? Trump puts loyalty ahead of competence and knowledge? Sounds like Obama.
How is the road to the WH a lot clearer? Don't you need to control what comes out of Trump's mouth? Paul can do that? Highly doubtful. Why can't Trump just (re)focus on jobs and national/border security? That's the road to the WH for him. Doesn't it bother you he can't keep his ego in check and stay focused on issues that attract blue-collar voters in places like OH and MI?
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06-21-2016, 08:37 AM
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Good riddance! With Lewandowski Trump was toast. Now at least he has a chance, albeit IMO a small one.
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06-21-2016, 09:28 AM
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I thought Trump hired only the best and brightest.
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There is evidence from within the Trump camp that he initially never thought or intended to get this far. He was going to take a brief shot at it as he has done previously, bask in the free publicity, and go back to work. No sense in hiring top people to do a job you are not serious about.
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06-21-2016, 09:40 AM
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Confused here, are you talking about Trump or Obama?
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06-21-2016, 09:50 AM
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I thought Trump hired only the best and brightest. Why wasn't Paul put in place from day one if he's the best?
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If you know anything about management and organizations, you should know that the best leader today is not necessarily the best leader when new challenges arise.
For the Primaries, Lewandowski was top notch and did an excellent job helping Trump win 37 States.
That's an excellent record with having to beat out 16 other candidates.
He was the best and the brightest for that specific task.
But no man is necessarily the best at everything all the time.
For the General Election, he is not the best man.
Trump has been smart enough to recognize that, change horses and move on.
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06-21-2016, 09:56 AM
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Confused here, are you talking about Trump or Obama?
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Both.
There is evidence that Obama did not expect to win the nomination in 2008 and setting himself up for a later run. Unlike Trump, as a Chicago Democrat, there was already a well established political machine in place that he could make use of. And his handlers, guys like David Axelrod and David Plouffe, were political professionals and were planning for the long run.
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06-21-2016, 10:03 AM
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But no man is necessarily the best at everything all the time.
For the General Election, he is not the best man.
Trump has been smart enough to recognize that, change horses and move on..
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His three children were smart enough to recognize that, and have probably recognized a lot of things, especially Ivanka, for a long time now.
If it's true that Ivanka gave him an ultimatum, then that might have finally woke Trump up.
Ivanka (and Trump's wife) have been pushing him for quite some time now to start "acting presidential." But with what's his face saying, "no, let's just let Trump be Trump," push came to shove.
His children aren't stupid, but they are drinking the Kool-Aid, and had better start acting independently, or they'll get dragged down into the gutter along with papa.
All three of them are probably better politicians than their father, but he has tied their hands from the git-go.
I think they saw the handwriting on the wall and said enough is enough, or we're going to blow this thing--but it may already be too late.
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06-21-2016, 10:10 AM
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All three of them are probably better politicians than their father, but he has tied their hands from the git-go.
I think they saw the handwriting on the wall and said enough is enough, or we're going to blow this thing--but it may already be too late.
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Lewandowski is a light weight. He ran for minor offices himself twice and did poorly. His only previous experience as a campaign manager was for a US Senator running for reelection in NH. That sitting senator lost his party's primary.
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06-21-2016, 10:33 AM
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The issues are an undisciplined candidate, little infrastructure in place, and no fundraising.
If Lewandowski was standing in the way of the latter two, maybe his firing makes a difference. But the overarching problem is the first and I don't see how a change in personel makes any difference there.
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06-21-2016, 10:41 AM
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The issues are an undisciplined candidate, little infrastructure in place, and no fundraising.
If Lewandowski was standing in the way of the latter two, maybe his firing makes a difference. But the overarching problem is the first and I don't see how a change in personel makes any difference there.
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It is hard to imagine that Lewandowski was strong enough to address the candidate problem. Paul Manafort appears to be much more of a pro, and he couldn't do it.
The fundraising, and spending, are an issue, but again it is hard to believe that Lewandowski asserted any control over Trump. The Trump filing with the Federal Election Commission was released last night and is a joke. The campaign has just over $1 million on hand, compared to about $20 million for Hillary. About 20% of the campaign spending is going to various Trump companies for rents, food, air travel, etc. And it appears that Trump is actually drawing a salary from the campaign.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of-donald-trumps-campaign-spending-goes-to-trump-businesses-filing-says-2016-06-21
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06-21-2016, 11:00 AM
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It is hard to imagine that Lewandowski was strong enough to address the candidate problem. Paul Manafort appears to be much more of a pro, and he couldn't do it.
The fundraising, and spending, are an issue, but again it is hard to believe that Lewandowski asserted any control over Trump. The Trump filing with the Federal Election Commission was released last night and is a joke. The campaign has just over $1 million on hand, compared to about $20 million for Hillary. About 20% of the campaign spending is going to various Trump companies for rents, food, air travel, etc. And it appears that Trump is actually drawing a salary from the campaign.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-of-donald-trumps-campaign-spending-goes-to-trump-businesses-filing-says-2016-06-21
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A Reading Rainbow Kickstarter is as efficient at generating cash as the Trump Campaign...
One is a show for elementary kids... the other a guy trying for the most important job in the world...
This is America folks.
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06-21-2016, 11:08 AM
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A Reading Rainbow Kickstarter is as efficient at generating cash as the Trump Campaign...
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Maybe special interest groups actually believed Trump when he said he was self-funding his campaign to avoid being beholden to special interest groups, so they aren't even going to try.
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06-21-2016, 11:13 AM
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He's the Fall guy.
Poor guy was just protecting Trump from some minor reporter from Frightbart named Michelle Fields, like how's he suppose to know she's legit.
Trumps next speech. "We all have to learn karate so we can protect the gun we're carrying.....OKAY?"
2016 The Year Cable TV selected the Republican Candidate.
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