 |
|
01-18-2023, 12:18 PM
|
#46
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy
Steroids were legal then. Maybe a lot of people didn't admit to using them, but Rick was just being honest. Never understood why he was criticized for that.
I don't know Rick at all. I'm not interested in weighing in on this, save to say I believe in second chances. I do know, firsthand, a story about him that few will ever know that speaks extremely well of him. That doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes.
|
Yes they were legal. However IMO what got Dutrow in hot water was the flippant way he suggested on National TV that since he hadn't been treated that time was the reason BIG BROWN was so pathetic in the Belmont.
The powers that be can and have overlooked alot over the years.
But when you give a big FU to the industry and more importantly the betting public with statements like that. It's NEVER going to get overlooked.
I'm in complete agreement about 2nd chances.
Many trainers have done far less and been welcomed back in much shorter time.
Being stupid shouldn't come with a life sentence. If it did I would have been put in maximum security long ago.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
|
|
|
|
01-18-2023, 03:38 PM
|
#47
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 166
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarchCapper
It was a self-imposed ban at that point. The sport was moving towards the eventual ban (it was still legal in the great majority of states), but it had not yet been implemented.
|
Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
01-18-2023, 03:39 PM
|
#48
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 166
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy
Steroids were legal then. Maybe a lot of people didn't admit to using them, but Rick was just being honest. Never understood why he was criticized for that.
I don't know Rick at all. I'm not interested in weighing in on this, save to say I believe in second chances. I do know, firsthand, a story about him that few will ever know that speaks extremely well of him. That doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes.
|
Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
02-10-2023, 06:13 PM
|
#49
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Clarksville, AR
Posts: 1,223
|
Dutrow's ban ended a while back, yet we haven't heard anything about his applying for a new license anywhere. Maybe he has submitted an application, and we are waiting for a scheduled racing commission meeting for it to be acted upon? His star was just beginning to peak as I was getting out of the sport for a while.
I thought of it today because we have David Jacobson bringing 3 from NY out to Oaklawn tomorrow. Jacobson had HIS own license revoked in 1981, just as I was getting into the sport in New York, and he didn't wind up training again untll after I took my hiatus from the sport in 2006. He went on to lead the NYRA trainer standings in 2012-14. Then he retired again just as I came back to the sport in 2019 here in Arkansas. Now he's come back again as of the end of last year, and our paths will finally intersect tomorrow.
__________________
Tom in NW Arkansas
——————
”Past performances are no guarantee of future results.” - Why isn't this disclaimer printed in the Daily Racing Form?
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 02:36 PM
|
#50
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,614
|
He's back
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...d-in-new-york/
classhandicapper
@Classhndicapper
Maybe he can claim someone, do some dental and back work, and beat Repo Rocks.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 02:40 PM
|
#51
|
|
PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,648
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
|
From the linked story....
Well, when you put it THIS way...it doesn't sound very good... 
Quote:
|
Dutrow's rap sheet of racing offenses totals at least 75 infractions spread out over multiple jurisdictions. In addition to his troubles with equine medication violations, his sanctions over the decades include multiple penalties for personal drug use, check forgery, falsified applications, failing to report a criminal conviction, plus various license refusals for “moral turpitude,” “evidence of unfitness,” and attempts to “deceive state racing officials.”
|
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 02:44 PM
|
#52
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,614
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
From the linked story....
Well, when you put it THIS way...it doesn't sound very good... |
After reading that I'm not sure if he should be a trainer or a candidate for America's Most Wanted. 
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 03:54 PM
|
#53
|
|
@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
From the linked story....
Well, when you put it THIS way...it doesn't sound very good... |
But for some reason he has been the Patron Saint of banned trainers, like the game was somehow suffering without him. I'll never get it.
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 04:34 PM
|
#54
|
|
Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 52,814
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
But for some reason he has been the Patron Saint of banned trainers, like the game was somehow suffering without him. I'll never get it.
|
Amen!
__________________
WE ARE THE DUMBEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET!
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 05:23 PM
|
#55
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 214
|
Glad he's back
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 05:51 PM
|
#56
|
|
C'est Tout
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cajunland
Posts: 13,272
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunDustyRun
Glad he's back
|
I won't go as far as to say I'm glad he's back, but the man has definitely served his time.
__________________
How do I work this?
-David Byrne
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 05:58 PM
|
#57
|
|
Buckle Up
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 10,614
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
I won't go as far as to say I'm glad he's back, but the man has definitely served his time.
|
Comebacks and uplifting life changes are the best stories, Babes... 
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 06:11 PM
|
#58
|
|
@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunDustyRun
Glad he's back
|
Why? I'm genuinely curious.
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 06:20 PM
|
#59
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,934
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
After reading that I'm not sure if he should be a trainer or a candidate for America's Most Wanted. |
Or a politician
|
|
|
|
|
02-27-2023, 06:51 PM
|
#60
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 214
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Why? I'm genuinely curious.
|
Feel like he was unfairly targeted and there were some shady circumstances surrounding some of his so called violations..Im also a firm believer in second chances and 10 years is a long time...wish him the best...edit..if the likes of peter miller, jamie freaking ness and and the GOAT are allowed on the backstretch why shouldn't he?
Last edited by RunDustyRun; 02-27-2023 at 06:54 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|
@
