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Old 03-15-2019, 07:39 AM   #1
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Top Gate Drivers

Ron Gurfein's answer to question about drivers leaving in todays HRU:
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2019...and-some-dont/

Made me check out who has the best 'hands'...
Surprised to see Aaron ranked 12

Drivers who can best get their horses to leave from outside posts(>5).
Horse is 1st or 2nd at quarter pole.
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Starts . . . . Leave % . . . .Driver
642 . . . . . .47% . . . . . .Palone, Dave
281 . . . . . .44% . . . . . .Macdonald, John
578 . . . . . .40% . . . . . .Napolitano, Geo. Jr
346 . . . . . .39% . . . . . .Hennessey, Wally
403 . . . . . .38% . . . . . .Gingras, Yannick
562 . . . . . .36% . . . . . .Mcnair, Douglas
777 . . . . . .34% . . . . . .Roy, Louis Philippe
690 . . . . . .34% . . . . . .Pantaleano, Jim
533 . . . . . .32% . . . . . .Jamieson, Jody C
495 . . . . . .31% . . . . . .Miller, Andy
635 . . . . . .30% . . . . . .Henry, Trevor S
1462 . . . . ..28% . . . . . .Merriman, Aaron
571 . . . . . .28% . . . . . .Rawlings, Dan
612 . . . . . .28% . . . . . .Hall, Tony
583 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Napolitano, Anthony
432 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Noble, Dan
533 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Allard, Simon
673 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Wilder, Mike
608 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Bartlett, Jason
592 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Drury, Jonathan L
435 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Morgan, Anthony
529 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .De Long, John
653 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Callahan, Corey
624 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Widger, Sam
561 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Foster, Russell
631 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Filion, Sylvain R
602 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Tetrick, Tim
617 . . . . . .22% . . . . . .Brown, Brady
628 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Macdonald, James A
528 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Carlson, Eric
479 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Davis, Allan
631 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Tetrick, Trace
587 . . . . . .20% . . . . . .Miller, Marcus
759 . . . . . .19% . . . . . .Mcclure, Bob
930 . . . . . .19% . . . . . .Wrenn, Ronnie Jr
834 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Devaux, Jim
645 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Siegelman, Austin
675 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Page, Chris
795 . . . . . .14% . . . . . .Aldrich, Bruce Jr
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Thanks Ray for posting useful stats

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What Wagering site has its own horse watch list?

l was watching for one that Ran at Meadowlands and won 2x
good price. Looked for it to run again . Ran at Freehold /won
I would have bet it if alert

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Thanks Ray for posting useful stats

??

What Wagering site has its own horse watch list?

l was watching for one that Ran at Meadowlands and won 2x
good price. Looked for it to run again . Ran at Freehold /won
I would have bet it if alert

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Trackmaster has a free service but you need to create an account. No money needed just email.


https://www.trackmaster.com/stable/free
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Ron Gurfein's answer to question about drivers leaving in todays HRU:
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2019...and-some-dont/

Made me check out who has the best 'hands'...
Surprised to see Aaron ranked 12

Drivers who can best get their horses to leave from outside posts(>5).
Horse is 1st or 2nd at quarter pole.
[code]
Starts . . . . Leave % . . . .Driver
642 . . . . . .47% . . . . . .Palone, Dave
281 . . . . . .44% . . . . . .Macdonald, John
578 . . . . . .40% . . . . . .Napolitano, Geo. Jr
346 . . . . . .39% . . . . . .Hennessey, Wally
403 . . . . . .38% . . . . . .Gingras, Yannick
562 . . . . . .36% . . . . . .Mcnair, Douglas
777 . . . . . .34% . . . . . .Roy, Louis Philippe
690 . . . . . .34% . . . . . .Pantaleano, Jim
533 . . . . . .32% . . . . . .Jamieson, Jody C
495 . . . . . .31% . . . . . .Miller, Andy
635 . . . . . .30% . . . . . .Henry, Trevor S
1462 . . . . ..28% . . . . . .Merriman, Aaron
571 . . . . . .28% . . . . . .Rawlings, Dan
612 . . . . . .28% . . . . . .Hall, Tony
583 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Napolitano, Anthony
432 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Noble, Dan
533 . . . . . .27% . . . . . .Allard, Simon
673 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Wilder, Mike
608 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Bartlett, Jason
592 . . . . . .26% . . . . . .Drury, Jonathan L
435 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Morgan, Anthony
529 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .De Long, John
653 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Callahan, Corey
624 . . . . . .24% . . . . . .Widger, Sam
561 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Foster, Russell
631 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Filion, Sylvain R
602 . . . . . .23% . . . . . .Tetrick, Tim
617 . . . . . .22% . . . . . .Brown, Brady
628 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Macdonald, James A
528 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Carlson, Eric
479 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Davis, Allan
631 . . . . . .21% . . . . . .Tetrick, Trace
587 . . . . . .20% . . . . . .Miller, Marcus
759 . . . . . .19% . . . . . .Mcclure, Bob
930 . . . . . .19% . . . . . .Wrenn, Ronnie Jr
834 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Devaux, Jim
645 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Siegelman, Austin
675 . . . . . .16% . . . . . .Page, Chris
795 . . . . . .14% . . . . . .Aldrich, Bruce Jr

I think some of these drivers are helped by the slanted gate. For instance, Palone drives exclusively at the Meadows, which has the slanted gate, which makes it much easier to leave from the outside. Jason Bartlett, who in my opinion is as good as anyone at leaving, races almost exclusively at Yonkers, which is a very difficult track to leave from the outside. If Bartlett raced at the Meadows his number would be much higher. If you notice. if all the drivers that race on a half mile track, Bartlett has the best percentage. The track size makes a huge difference, as does the slanted gate.

Good stats overall, though.

Ray, have you ever posted stats on first time lasix, or horses that are using lasix as opposed to not using lasix?
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Some Lasix data from 2017 can be found here.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=145512




That's a good point about the slanted gate. That was the gate's original purpose, to make drivers more aggressive.

Track size is very important.

I just did some research for DeanT on track size - Quarter pole leaders, shown below in attachment 1.

I also looked at the results if the tote would let me bet the quarter pole leader to win. (shown in attachment 2)
Races only covered from Feb 19, 2019 to date and Pompano is skewed by a $161 winner.

The question I was trying to answer is :
How accurate do I have to be in predicting the Quarter Pole leader in order to break even on betting him?
I'll omit the details but it turns out I would need to be right 71% of the time.

I'm building a robot right now to see if it can get close to 70% predicting the 1/4 pole calls.

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Some Lasix data from 2017 can be found here.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=145512




That's a good point about the slanted gate. That was the gate's original purpose, to make drivers more aggressive.

Track size is very important.

I just did some research for DeanT on track size - Quarter pole leaders, shown below in attachment 1.

I also looked at the results if the tote would let me bet the quarter pole leader to win. (shown in attachment 2)
Races only covered from Feb 19, 2019 to date and Pompano is skewed by a $161 winner.

The question I was trying to answer is :
How accurate do I have to be in predicting the Quarter Pole leader in order to break even on betting him?
I'll omit the details but it turns out I would need to be right 71% of the time.

I'm building a robot right now to see if it can get close to 70% predicting the 1/4 pole calls.
I'm going to make an attempt to predict this tonight at Western Fair. I will explain what I did in the actual thread.
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