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03-07-2019, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bello
Really interesting site. One of the items I noticed were 2.023 NY Breds disappeared from the face of the Earth between 2010 and 2012. Where did they go? Unfortunately I think most of us already know that answer. Also this data is admittedly old and hopefully things have improved. I also hope I am reading this wrong and if I am i am ok if someone points that out to me.
Of the 2,023 unknown horses:
313 ran their last race at Finger Lakes
221 ran their last race at Aqueduct
201 ran their last race at Belmont
187 ran their last race at Mountaineer
152 ran their last race at Charlestown
125 ran their last race at Penn National
106 ran their last race at Suffolk Downs
58 ran their last race at Saratoga
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Bowed Tendon
popped suspensory
Bad knees
Breathing problems
Back injury
Hip injury
Hoof problems
Owners stopped because the horse was SLOW.
Plenty of reasons these animals were not racing.
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03-07-2019, 10:52 AM
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#107
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Location: Winnipeg
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Originally Posted by chiguy
Battle of Midway breaking down seems to have been the turning point. I agree that racing last weekend was a big mistake. They were going to be off the turf and they had a big weekend the following week. I don't think ending the meet is the answer but I also don't think a week off is prudent either. Rain is coming again on Tuesday so I am not sure what work can be done with confidence right now. No other solution right now but to take the time to get it right.
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Forgot who it was, but that now reminds me of the woman who went to Twitter about Santa Anita bullying her about scratching a horse due to bad conditions on the San Vicente day.
These guys had no ****ing clue and are dragging the industry down in the mainstream media.
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03-07-2019, 11:13 AM
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#108
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Another trend I'm seeing is the younger handicappers on Twitter saying how hard it is to field questions about this from non racing friends and having leadership be cowards and bury their head in the sand
In a lot of ways,it reminds me when the Catholic Churches leadership did not step up and explain the atrocities and instead, left average church goers to defend the organization.
What a shitty strategy....
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03-07-2019, 11:23 AM
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#109
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Originally Posted by cutchemist42
Another trend I'm seeing is the younger handicappers on Twitter saying how hard it is to field questions about this from non racing friends and having leadership be cowards and bury their head in the sand
In a lot of ways,it reminds me when the Catholic Churches leadership did not step up and explain the atrocities and instead, left average church goers to defend the organization.
What a shitty strategy....
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They stopped racing and are investigating the cause. If they don't know the cause, what explanation is Santa Anita supposed to offer to comfort the "younger handicappers on Twitter"?
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03-07-2019, 12:49 PM
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#110
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Originally Posted by castaway01
They stopped racing and are investigating the cause. If they don't know the cause, what explanation is Santa Anita supposed to offer to comfort the "younger handicappers on Twitter"?
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I think they know the causes and can't really say them.
Which makes the Catholic Church analogy very good.
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03-07-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by airford1
Bowed Tendon
popped suspensory
Bad knees
Breathing problems
Back injury
Hip injury
Hoof problems
Owners stopped because the horse was SLOW.
Plenty of reasons these animals were not racing.
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I didn't ask why they stopped racing. I ASKED WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
And the industry better have a good answer as to how "useless" horses are "discarded" and I doubt they do.
If they do not get in front of this issue, their PETA and public perception issues will be difficult to ever overcome.
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03-07-2019, 02:37 PM
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#112
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Originally Posted by bello
If they do not get in front of this issue, their PETA and public perception issues will be difficult to ever overcome.
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Agreed. Watching the mainstream media raise questions like "why is racing even a thing still" or "why are we letting animals die for entertainment" is very concerning, especially when looking at what happened to Florida greyhounds just a few months ago.
Florida voters decided, right or wrong, that dog racing was archaic and cruel, and no arguments from the other side swayed them. "What happens to all the dogs if you ban racing"? No one cared. "What about all the jobs that will be lost?" No one cared. Stopping animal cruelty (whether real or imagined) trumps everything else, and the vote to ban was overwhelming.
If someone used this Santa Anita incident to launch a 2020 ballot measure to ban horse racing (a measure that would no doubt get heavy backing and funding from Indian tribes, casinos, and any other gambling industry that has a vested interest in seeing racing fall), I have no doubt that it would pass in pretty much any state. All it takes is a measure like that passing in one or two states, and next thing you know it's a domino effect that wipes out most of North American racing.
If the industry takes the usual approach of sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the public moves onto another story, it could have catastrophic consequences.
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03-07-2019, 04:02 PM
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#113
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Originally Posted by bello
I didn't ask why they stopped racing. I ASKED WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
And the industry better have a good answer as to how "useless" horses are "discarded" and I doubt they do.
If they do not get in front of this issue, their PETA and public perception issues will be difficult to ever overcome.
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It's hard to imagine the industry voluntarily getting out in front of this issue. Before hell was raised in Louisiana, forcing the Louisiana Racing Commission to pay attention, its Asst. Executive Director, Larry Munster, told me personally that he thinks horse slaughter is a necessary mechanism to control thoroughbred overpopulation.
There are lots of people in this industry that are 30 years behind the times.
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03-07-2019, 09:45 PM
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#114
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Santa Anita has already decided to reopen no later than the last week of March.
They should learn how to keep secrets better....
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03-07-2019, 11:33 PM
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#115
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Originally Posted by taxicab
Santa Anita has already decided to reopen no later than the last week of March.
They should learn how to keep secrets better....
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They certainly want to. The Santa Anita Derby is their other big day.
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03-08-2019, 09:14 AM
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#116
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The Voice of Reason!
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Oaklawn has offered to split the Rebel if need be.
Purse and point to be divided, but at least the opportunity is there.
http://www.hotsr.com/news/2019/mar/0...-horseme/?news
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03-08-2019, 10:52 AM
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#117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bello
I didn't ask why they stopped racing. I ASKED WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
And the industry better have a good answer as to how "useless" horses are "discarded" and I doubt they do.
If they do not get in front of this issue, their PETA and public perception issues will be difficult to ever overcome.
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For us if a horse started to show signs that they wouldn't hold up to the rigors of racing we would find someone that wanted and was able to take care of a pleasure horse and give them away. that being said I do have friends that have had Stakes winning Horses that ended up at retirement farms with little donations for care.
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03-08-2019, 11:06 AM
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#118
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Originally Posted by Tom
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That is going to be great.
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03-08-2019, 09:48 PM
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#119
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
I think they know the causes and can't really say them.
Which makes the Catholic Church analogy very good.
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Spot on. Things are being kept hush-hush for sure, which is an utter shame.
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03-08-2019, 10:15 PM
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#120
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Originally Posted by castaway01
They stopped racing and are investigating the cause. If they don't know the cause, what explanation is Santa Anita supposed to offer to comfort the "younger handicappers on Twitter"?
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Well by doing nothing, an industry worth millions just had an AP story out out where a blogger from Ney York against the sport had a bigger say than anyone quoted from the industry.
Santa Anita has done a lot of damage to the sport where we now have two media outlets asking why the sport exists which weren't writing stories about this a week ago.
This is the rock that started rolling for the banned circuses and greyhounds and horse racing is not economically important enough to save
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