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Old 01-22-2019, 10:44 AM   #706
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The President's deal is a non-starter. Fist of all his Saturday speech is a complete lie now as this bill also completely rewrites asylum laws... something he failed to mention that will show he still can't negotiate in good faith.

Second, Mitch said there would be no vote until the Democrats and President came to an agreement. This is Mitch's first goalpost move and I'm not sure its a smart one for him... it inserts Senate R's back into the eye of public scrutiny.

To me this seems like another attempt by the White House to shift blame again on the shutdown to Democrats. I doubt it will work with the public. He should have started with this back in early December not over a month into a shutdown. Time and polling will tell the tale.
What is Nancy's plan, and why is it better?
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The only ones are that will not negotiate...wonder why ..wonder why..
it's obvious
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:48 AM   #708
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Or...

People will be pissed the President has decided to take them hostage and risk their paychecks in the first place.

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People are irrational.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:53 AM   #709
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What is Nancy's plan, and why is it better?
Reopen government and then negotiate is her plan.

I don't know if its any better or worse... I just know that this shutdown fight is hurting Trump and Republicans a lot more than its hurting Democrats.

They are fine with letting it continue. This is a fight that shouldn't have been picked when it was.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:57 AM   #710
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The only ones are that will not negotiate...wonder why ..wonder why..
it's obvious
It was 30 days until Trump began even trying to negotiate. That isn't a opinion on the matter its a fact. Lindsey Graham suggested this approach almost immediately. Romney did as well. Members of Trumps cabinet including Kushner, Pence, and Mulvaney suggested this route too...

He shot all of them down.

Now that his public opinion continues to slide he decides he wants to do an about face.

Consistent messaging wins these fights. Democrats are unified and their message has been consistent. Their opponent has been anything but.

If he tries what he did on Saturday in the first few days of this showdown its a completely different story... he didn't.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:58 AM   #711
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Reopen government and then negotiate is her plan.

I don't know if its any better or worse... I just know that this shutdown fight is hurting Trump and Republicans a lot more than its hurting Democrats.

They are fine with letting it continue. This is a fight that shouldn't have been picked when it was.
why can't they negotiate now? and why is what they are doing now hurting one party more than another?
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:03 AM   #712
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why can't they negotiate now? and why is what they are doing now hurting one party more than another?
Because they said Day One they aren't going to negotiate and reward hostage taking.

They haven't wavered on that. Its called disciplined messaging.

Meanwhile we have fences, steel slats, walls, humanitarian, coyotes, concrete, partial, border security, fences again, no daca, now daca, let the supreme court decide, oh shit they ruled against me, daca again, state of emergency, my shutdown, proud shutdown, wall again, Schumer shutdown, etc. etc. etc.
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Members of Trumps cabinet including Kushner, Pence, and Mulvaney suggested this route too...
Source? Have they gone on record stating they recommended this to Trump and he shot them all down (like on 5th ave?)????
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:42 AM   #714
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Source? Have they gone on record stating they recommended this to Trump and he shot them all down (like on 5th ave?)????
As Kushner reaches out to Congress on shutdown, 'DACA for the wall' deal gains steam

There is one example...

I'm sure you'll decry it as fake news since the "Office of Jared Kushner: First Son-in-Law of the United States" didn't put it up on the website but...

Back to how tower 7 fell down.
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Back to how tower 7 fell down.
How did it fall down Mr. Animal Killer?
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:31 PM   #716
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How did it fall down Mr. Animal Killer?
So Kushner has been suggesting this?

Okay just checking.
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:34 PM   #717
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So Kushner has been suggesting this?

Okay just checking.
In so deep, you don't even know what you're typing at the moment....building 7....

BTW, how did it fall? Miracle?
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Dude buys into every Russian theory posted about Trump anywhere, and then tells me building 7 was kosher and I'm some idiot for not buying into the company line...

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Old 01-22-2019, 01:12 PM   #719
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Dude buys into every Russian theory posted about Trump anywhere, and then tells me building 7 was kosher and I'm some idiot for not buying into the company line...

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I buy into every Russian theory?

Hilarious... on the Buzzfeed article:

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I'm skeptical too but he has done good journalism as well.
When in doubt though make things up... amirite?

Pity for you this place has a search feature.
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Dude buys into every Russian theory posted about Trump anywhere, and then tells me building 7 was kosher and I'm some idiot for not buying into the company line...

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he’s nuttier than a fruit cake
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