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08-27-2018, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I never was. Additionally I never worked with a California Steward who took the importance of the race into account.
The rule book is the same for claimers as it is for Grade 1 types.
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I believe this....
On the other hand I also believe there is no way the Belmont stewards take Real Quiet down if he wins the photo....
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08-27-2018, 08:33 AM
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DQ
Let's say that 65-35 % is right by my math 30% difference .. seems like that be enuff to dg also horses are supposed to maintain a straight path to the wire... these were not maidens with all FTS..
Stuball FYI I had no skin in the race -- just another Ahole with an opinion
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08-27-2018, 09:45 AM
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I would give them both days - split 65-35.
Smith is going to kill someone one of these days.
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08-30-2018, 08:49 AM
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stewards call
Tom:
I was just about to post your thought.
I am quite aware of the Worker Compensation program in NY, I've posted information about how the program was structured in the past.
The current program is written on a high deductible program which,
in the event of a permanent injury to a Jockey could dramatically
impact the NY Racing Community.
The other issue already posted is how the Stewards didn't see and/or immediately make the call.
Geez, even the TVG commentators saw this incident and noted
Mr. Ortiz told the outrider to call the Stewards.
Considering this was an important Stakes day, lots of questions arise
on how better to protect the Jockeys/owners/NYRA and the fans supporting
(literally) racing
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09-01-2018, 11:27 AM
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GARY
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stewards call
Topic: Closure
First, read below:
One year after Abel Tasman defeated Elate by a head in the Grade 1 Coaching Club American Oaks, Abel Tasman defeated Elate by a neck in Saturday’s Grade 1, $700,000 Personal Ensign Stakes.
Last year, Abel Tasman and Mike Smith withstood a stewards’ inquiry for tightening things up late on Elate. On Saturday, Abel Tasman had to withstand a jockey’s objection when the two fillies bumped hard in deep stretch. Elate jockey Jose Ortiz claimed foul on Smith and Abel Tasman, but the stewards let the result stand.
Secondly, kindly listen to the 08/30/18 broadcast on Steve Byk's show,
"At the races" with Tony Black and the issues regarding Stewards calls
and litigation options offered to owners and trainers regarding stewards
decisions on percentage decisions involving jockeys which lead to
controversial calls.
In Summation(a favorite tbred), the fact there was a history of these
two horses repeated for TWO straight years could reverse this result
in the courts.
Hopefully, one day a panel of experts( attorneys, trainers and notable
jockeys) could become part of this process.
The ultimate impact on owners in such controversial races spells
millions of dollars when these Tbreds go to the breeding shed..
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09-01-2018, 06:19 PM
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But what would horse racing be without controversial DQs/non-DQs? The DQ of Run Dusty Run from his win in the 1977 Travers still haunts me 41 years later.
But hey, he who loses today (from a questionable DQ/non-DQ), may win tomorrow.
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09-01-2018, 06:34 PM
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Double DQ today - Chad moved up from third right after setting the record for wins in a season.
Unfortunately, Andy had a few buck on the original 25-1 winner.
To his credit, he was insisting the DQ was legit.
Tough break handled classy as Hell by TLG.
btw, don't leave Chad off your tickets!
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09-02-2018, 07:51 AM
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But this was not the first double DQ in a NYRA race: In the 1977 Jerome Handicap, Broadway Forli, third under the wire, was placed first due to the disqualification of both To The Quick (first under the wire) and Affiliate (second), who between them made a "Broadway Forli Sandwich" coming out of the gate.
Last edited by Thomas Roulston; 09-02-2018 at 07:55 AM.
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