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Old 05-27-2018, 03:31 PM   #1
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How many U.S. tracks/circuits will be running full meetings in 2028?

Full meeting" is defined to be 50 or more racing dates OR at least eight consecutive weeks.

My OPINION is that there will be ten:
NYRA
SoCal
Miami Florida
Kentucky
Texas
Bush Lousiana (DeD EvD)
Fair Grounds
Oaklawn
Tampa
Turf Paradise



The rest may run short meetings to keep licenses, breeding programs, or whatever else, but no extended meetings.

I see Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, and West Virginia all vanishing from existence. North California will be fairs-only. Hawthorne might run a couple of meetings per year (Arlington is headed to commercial development when Mr. Duchossois is gone).

The reason?
1) Greedy gaming companies tired of subsidizing racing.

2) Revenue-hungry states that will only-too-gladly allow decoupling, in return for an extra percent or two of tax and/or more revenue to tax without racing eating up income. It's a win-win for the states and gaming companies. Not so good for the horsemen.

3) Idiotic management, which never got its head out of where the sun doesn't shine, and instead continued --- up to the end --- to live in the 1950's.

You're welcome to a different view.
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:55 PM   #2
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My goal is to be able to attend any meeting in 2028.
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Monmouth will have winter racing by then
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NYRA will be running 2 furlong sprint races for NYSB who have never finished 3 races.

GP, in 2028, will still waiting for post time for the last race on 12/31/2027.

The Breeders Cup, at Great Barrington Fair, will be run over 6 weekends from May to December.

The Triple Crown, now for 4yos, will be contested at the gruelling distances of 5.5F, 6.0F, and the demanding and inhumane 7.0F. The races will be run in May, September, and December.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:16 PM   #5
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Why are you calling gaming companies "greedy"?
Their profits are determined by percentages charged on their games.
If their rates sucked, then they'd be out of business quick.

Horse racing is the real "greedy" one here. Has been for a long time.
They charge higher rates than anyone, all the while taking money from the gaming company to pay for purses!

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Greedy is right.
Two more payments and that Beer I had at Toga three years ago is all mine!
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Greedy is right.
Two more payments and that Beer I had at Toga three years ago is all mine!
Tom, Do you still have that beer?
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You didn't mention the single most important cause of all the contraction, which is simulcasting. Simulcasting killed the mid-level racetrack.
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Why are you calling gaming companies "greedy"?
Their profits are determined by percentages charged on their games.
If their rates sucked, then they'd be out of business quick.

Horse racing is the real "greedy" one here. Has been for a long time.
They charge higher rates than anyone, all the while taking money from the gaming company to pay for purses!
Exactly! And now they want a piece of sports betting to pay for purses.
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Original post didn't mention Maryland. It will be around. Breeding is big there.
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Original post didn't mention Maryland. It will be around. Breeding is big there.
that place is the biggest cinch to be around out of all of them. also i think Oaklahoma and Indiana are pretty solid as well.
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I think most tracks will be around.

There may be some more consolidation in regions. Like Florida has been doing and Stronach will close Pimlico, but shift to Laurel to take it's place.

If the casino dole gets pulled they'll look to state governments to keep them going. They'll convince government that horseracing creates jobs and keeps green space.

There's other ways to fund purses like historical racing and similar gimmicks.

Purses may get lower. The horsemen will have to deal.

Virginia is getting back in the game soon. They'll get the breeding going.

Do you think they'd be getting back into it if they thought it would die in a few years.

There's big money in this sport - it's not going away.
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that place is the biggest cinch to be around out of all of them. also i think Oaklahoma and Indiana are pretty solid as well.
Maryland was on life support before the casino money started rolling in.
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