Phil Ivey getting sued

[classhandicapper]

I wouldn't trust any of these big name poker players with a wooden nickel. As far as I am concerned, the evidence indicates they are virtually all low life scumbags looking to make moves and screw people.

They remind me of some of the pool hustlers I knew when I was young. The goal of many players wasn't to make a game where they had an edge (which is fine). It was all about screwing people.

1. Get someone to back you in a big money game and then dump to some guy you are actually partners with.

2. Give the book on all the players in your local room to an out of towner that the locals don't know. That way he can come in and make games with an edge on all the guys you normally hang out with and you get a piece of it (essentially screwing all your friends).

3. Get into multi player games and put someone in the middle between you and your partner.

[Dave Schwartz]

I remember waiting for a dealer to get off work at the old Fremont Hotel in Las Vegas, circa 1976. While I was waiting - about 30 minutes or so - a drama took place right in front of me.

A woman had just hit a signer jackpot for like $14,000. She was standing there with her husband and daughter, and just so thrilled with this hit. She just kept talking, and talking.

As the slot supervisor was filling out the paperwork, she continued to run her mouth on and on about their vacation, life back in Wisconsin, the weather difference, whatever... and the supervisor is just nodding his head, trying to be polite.

Then she said something really important.

She said, "You know, I am actually signing this tax form for my daughter here. We are hear to celebrate her 21st birthday, which is in 4 hours."

The supervisor looks up and says, "Was she playing the machine?"

The stupid women says, "Yes, but I gave her money to gamble with so we are partners."

He asks her a second way: "Did your daughter actually pull the handle on the machine or put the money into the machine?"

Stupid woman replies, "Yes, but it was my money."

Meanwhile, the husband is beginning to get the picture. He gets a pained look on his face and tries to step in, saying, "No, my wife didn't mean that. Our daughter gets the money as a gift, but it was my wife sitting at the machine playing. Our daughter was just watching."

The supervisor looks to the wife. The wife glares at the husband, like he is being called out for challenging what she said. "No, my daughter was definitely playing the machine but it was with my money. That makes it okay, right?"

The supervisor closes his folio and looks at her sternly. He says, "I am sorry, Ma'am but I cannot pay this jackpot if an underage person was even NEAR the machine."

Next thing an argument ensues between the woman and the supervisor. Then it is the husband and the supervisor. Finally, it is the husband and the wife. LOL

My friend and I went to dinner and came back like an hour later. Gaming enforcement was there taking a report. Bottom line: The casino did not have to pay off.

This was, of course, correct, but it was just laughable that anyone could be so stupid.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I wouldn't trust any of these big name poker players with a wooden nickel. As far as I am concerned, the evidence indicates they are virtually all low life scumbags looking to make moves and screw people.

They remind me of some of the pool hustlers I knew when I was young. The goal of many players wasn't to make a game where they had an edge (which is fine). It was all about screwing people.

1. Get someone to back you in a big money game and then dump to some guy you are actually partners with.

2. Give the book on all the players in your local room to an out of towner that the locals don't know. That way he can come in and make games with an edge on all the guys you normally hang out with and you get a piece of it (essentially screwing all your friends).

3. Get into multi player games and put someone in the middle between you and your partner.

I can relate to this.

My first encounter with seasoned poker players (aka poker scum) was in the late 1980s/early 90s. Working in the sportsbook at Caesars Tahoe at the time, the property hosted a week of poker tournaments for a fledgling holdem tour.

The end result was a gang of sharps from LV invading the place the week before Super Bowl. We booked the action in those days, both horses and sports. Needless to say, every steam game and pony got hammered at the windows.
Wasn't long before the boss cut them down to nothing, or we'd have gotten buried.

The consensus among casino staff during those events?
Nail down everything in the place, and smile when they're leaving.
If you had gold fillings, best not to smile at all.
Those guys would've sold their grandmothers without blinking.

[Rookies]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

I remember waiting for a dealer to get off work at the old Fremont Hotel in Las Vegas, circa 1976. While I was waiting - about 30 minutes or so - a drama took place right in front of me.

A woman had just hit a signer jackpot for like $14,000. She was standing there with her husband and daughter, and just so thrilled with this hit. She just kept talking, and talking.

As the slot supervisor was filling out the paperwork, she continued to run her mouth on and on about their vacation, life back in Wisconsin, the weather difference, whatever... and the supervisor is just nodding his head, trying to be polite.

Then she said something really important.

She said, "You know, I am actually signing this tax form for my daughter here. We are hear to celebrate her 21st birthday, which is in 4 hours."

The supervisor looks up and says, "Was she playing the machine?"

The stupid women says, "Yes, but I gave her money to gamble with so we are partners."

He asks her a second way: "Did your daughter actually pull the handle on the machine or put the money into the machine?"

Stupid woman replies, "Yes, but it was my money."

Meanwhile, the husband is beginning to get the picture. He gets a pained look on his face and tries to step in, saying, "No, my wife didn't mean that. Our daughter gets the money as a gift, but it was my wife sitting at the machine playing. Our daughter was just watching."

The supervisor looks to the wife. The wife glares at the husband, like he is being called out for challenging what she said. "No, my daughter was definitely playing the machine but it was with my money. That makes it okay, right?"

The supervisor closes his folio and looks at her sternly. He says, "I am sorry, Ma'am but I cannot pay this jackpot if an underage person was even NEAR the machine."

Next thing an argument ensues between the woman and the supervisor. Then it is the husband and the supervisor. Finally, it is the husband and the wife. LOL

My friend and I went to dinner and came back like an hour later. Gaming enforcement was there taking a report. Bottom line: The casino did not have to pay off.

This was, of course, correct, but it was just laughable that anyone could be so stupid.

Sad, really sad what rubes so many people are with Gambling. So few people learn anything about Casinos and all that they entail before going. I was the same, but I was with sharps and I knew how to play my game of choice before going, at least.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

I hope he has to pay them back, and is barred from every casino throughout the world.
Haven't heard the outcome of his lawsuit against the London casino, but he has next to no chance of winning that one.

He took advantage of a defect in the cards - multiple times.
That's cheating.
Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

There is nothing more pathetic than the sight of a casino running to the courts claiming that they were cheated.

They welcome this man and lick their chops when he puts a couple of million dollars of his own money down...and then they cry like little girls when he sticks them.

Give them hell, Phil Ivey...and take no prisoners.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

There is nothing more pathetic than the sight of a casino running to the courts claiming that they were cheated.

They welcome this man and lick their chops when he puts a couple of million dollars of his own money down...and then they cry like little girls when he sticks them.

Give them hell, Phil Ivey...and take no prisoners.

Call it what you like, sir.
Phil Ivey - the Robin Hood of the gaming world.
Laughable.

If a link with the card manufacturer can be proved, he's a cheat.
Same as if he were digging his nails into the paint.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

Unbelievable...

The card counter is a cheat too then...right H4C?

When the man loses millions at the crap table, he is a degenerate loser...and when he wins millions at baccarat, he is a cheat.

Let me ask you something:

When Ivey walks into the casino...aren't they aware of the suspicions that surround him? Why do they even deal to him?

Or have they already pre-determined that they'll take his money if he loses...and stiff him when he wins?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Call it what you like, sir.
Phil Ivey - the Robin Hood of the gaming world.
Laughable.

If a link with the card manufacturer can be proved, he's a cheat.
Same as if he were digging his nails into the paint.

You're dead wrong on this one. Casino's are ruthless and evil and have used plenty of technicalities to not pay off legit winners, you should be standing and cheering for Ivy to put these people in their place.

Standing and cheering.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Unbelievable...

The card counter is a cheat too then...right H4C?

When the man loses millions at the crap table, he is a degenerate loser...and when he wins millions at baccarat, he is a cheat.

Let me ask you something:

When Ivey walks into the casino...aren't they aware of the suspicions that surround him? Why do they even deal to him?

Or have they already pre-determined that they'll take his money if he loses...and stiff him when he wins?

Exactly. If Ivey lost millions in a sitting and then they discovered a "Flaw" in their cards, do we think they would run to Ivey and say "sorry, our cards were flawed, here's your money back"

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Unbelievable...

The card counter is a cheat too then...right H4C?

When the man loses millions at the crap table, he is a degenerate loser...and when he wins millions at baccarat, he is a cheat.

Let me ask you something:

When Ivey walks into the casino...aren't they aware of the suspicions that surround him? Why do they even deal to him?

Or have they already pre-determined that they'll take his money if he loses...and stiff him when he wins?

you don't know these guys running these casino's today. they should be arrested for trying to impersonate a human being. there is nothing nice about those people.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Call it what you like, sir.
Phil Ivey - the Robin Hood of the gaming world.
Laughable.

If a link with the card manufacturer can be proved, he's a cheat.
Same as if he were digging his nails into the paint.

My game...my rules...my cards...my dealer...and then I am supposed to cry when I lose? Have these men no self-respect at all?

If the casinos don't want to gamble anymore...then deal only low-limit games. Or turn the place into a bakery...and start selling bread.

[horses4courses]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Unbelievable...

The card counter is a cheat too then...right H4C?

When the man loses millions at the crap table, he is a degenerate loser...and when he wins millions at baccarat, he is a cheat.

Let me ask you something:

When Ivey walks into the casino...aren't they aware of the suspicions that surround him? Why do they even deal to him?

Or have they already pre-determined that they'll take his money if he loses...and stiff him when he wins?[/I

Phil Ivey deserves anything and everything he wins, if he can do so without having an unfair advantage.
Knowledge of a defect in playing cards which are printed by an independent company would have to be considered as cheating.

I mentioned card counting in an earlier post.
No, it is not a crime.

Why would a casino deal to Phil Ivey?
Probably because they feel they have at least a 50% of beating him.
Should he walk away a winner, it will not be because the game is tainted.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

My game...my rules...my cards...my dealer...and then I am supposed to cry when I lose? Have these men no self-respect at all?

If the casinos don't want to gamble anymore...then deal only low-limit games. Or turn the place into a bakery...and start selling bread.

You always come across as an intelligent, insightful person.

In this case, I'm afraid that many years on one side of the table has clouded your logic.

[barn32]

Phil Ivey won't get a dime.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

you don't know these guys running these casino's today. they should be arrested for trying to impersonate a human being. there is nothing nice about those people.

We all long for the good old days.......