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Old 04-09-2014, 02:03 PM   #1
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Undocumented cattle

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Tom, JR: see any irony here?
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:21 PM   #2
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What's Reid's position?

http://www.infowars.com/nevada-gover...bundy-dispute/

We know what the supporters think and now we have heard from the governor.

Is the senior senator from NV going to weight in, too?
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:33 PM   #3
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Tell the cheapskate to pay the grazing fees like everyone else. Law abiding citizens are put at a disadvantage when someone like Bundy refuses to obey the law.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:35 PM   #4
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Tell the cheapskate to pay the grazing fees like everyone else. Law abiding citizens are put at a disadvantage when someone like Bundy refuses to obey the law.


You crack me up -- that is the only reaction I can have and keep my sanity.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:38 PM   #5
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They are just grazing grass that Government cattle will eat.
They have a right to be on that land - this government has no borders.
The cattle once owned all that land, they are justified in being there.
Some have calves that were born there - anchor calves.
We need to show some compassion, mostie, borders are bad.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:04 PM   #6
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Based on that story, it appears that both sides are in the wrong. The rancher appears to be grazing his cattle on public land illegally. There are ranchers that have grazing permits on public land, and the land will support only a very limited number of cattle. If the story is correct, that rancher is infringing on the rights of other ranchers. The rancher's claim that he doesn't recognize federal authority is something that needs to be settled in court, not in a show down with armed federal agents.

On the other hand, it appears that the BLM is acting like storm troopers (or worse, ATF agents), a problem that they are known for. The BLM has a history of over-reacting and interfering with ranchers who have legitimate grazing rights on public lands simply because the BLM apparently doesn't like ranchers.
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:21 PM   #7
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Clocker has nailed it.

From my limited understanding, the BIG ranchers get to lease this land for pennies on the pound (literally).

Think of it this way... There are 2 ranchers who want to grow some beef.

Rancher #1 lives in Texas, has a ranch, puts cattle on it. Included in his cost of production is supporting the land in every way, including not only maintenance but also taxes.

Rancher #2 lives in Nevada, has a ranch, but his cattle are far away from his actual land. He pays no tax on the grazing land, does not maintenance, and pays just pennies in comparison to rancher #1.

Who do you suppose makes more money per pound?

Okay, so maybe this is an oversimplification, but seriously, the charge per acre-cow is very small in comparison.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:17 PM   #8
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So if the Bundys pay the fees, they can endanger desert tortoises? Doesn't seem likely.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:51 AM   #9
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Tensions are high in Nevada right now as the U.S. government has staged an armed siege against a local rancher whose ancestors have been running cattle on the land since the 1870's.


The federal BLM was created in 1946, and in the 1990's, it claimed power over the same land being used by the Bundy family to run cattle.


Now the feds have surrounded the ranch with 200 armed men, helicopters and snipers, and the feds are demanding $1 million from the Bundy family while stealing their cattle and auctioning them all off.


The Nevada state Governor is outraged, and a U.S. Senator for the state of Nevada has already blasted the BLM for its out-of-control tyranny against a rancher.


Here's how the story is unfolding so far:
http://www.naturalnews.com/044654_Bundy_cattle_ranch_government_siege_militar ized_police.html
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Old 04-10-2014, 06:37 AM   #10
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Tell the cheapskate to pay the grazing fees like everyone else. Law abiding citizens are put at a disadvantage when someone like Bundy refuses to obey the law.
It seems that the ranchers family has been running cattle on that scrubland since 1870. Now the Feds in the 1990's said the land belongs to them. Whats with all this armed force, abusing a family member for taking pictures, yeah, we should just blindly obey and let the gestapo trample over us. That is precisely the kind of thinking that has put this country in the sorry state it is in today.
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What's the upside to any aggressive action that potentially winds up hurting a single cow, calf etc...?

It seems to me this is an issue to be resolved in the courts, but the cattle should be left out of it.
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Rancher wins?

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Looks like they are just pulling back before it turns into a bloodbath, and not cattle blood.
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Complete stupidity everywhere...

I'm sure the Tea Party will shortlist this jackass for some political office the GOP would normally win.
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Old 04-12-2014, 07:26 PM   #15
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Not the Feds....WE, the people own it.
We do not need a Nazi-style response to this - 200 armed agents?
Ziech Heil!

Go to Hell US Government.
To avoid derailing the other thread.

The response was over the top I know but the fact is the Fed's own and maintain that land. That's why fee's are charged for use.

The guy is a ****ing right wing nut-job... pay to use the land just like everyone else or get the hell off of it. Not paying, because of some BS excuse, to help support Federal and/or State land while your cows get fat off of it is about as un-American as you can get IMO.

**** that guy.
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