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07-29-2020, 11:58 PM
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If only Biden had mentioned it first...the world might be a better place...oh well.
So sad is right.
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07-30-2020, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
I hate them too, but you have to separate the 1930s Nazi party from the 1940s party. The 1930s party is pretty much a template for the 2020 Democrat party. Right down to the Brown shirts.
We must learn from history.
The quality of people we are dealing with today is the same they did in 1933.
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I have been saying this for a few years. There is some scary similarities.
Replace 1930's Jews with Republicans as the cause of all the countries probles, complete control of the media, silencing of the opposition side, etc. While the Nazis did not ban religion they tried their best without overt action to stifle it.
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07-30-2020, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Nobody wants to hear anything about a medication Trump himself cheerleads.
Not anyone in power or in the media, anyway.
BUT, I keep hearing doctors say this stuff actually works if it's given early enough (way before THIS particular group of doctors).
So people in HIGH RISK GROUPS should be considering this medication for prophylaxis....smart doctors would be LOOKING AT THAT...
Think of all those people in the nursing homes who might have lived?
Nah...can't do that...cause TRUMP mentioned this drug early on...
Ever since then, the only news you'll hear about this drug from the MSM is the NEGATIVE NEWS...the supposed SIDE EFFECTS and the "studies" that say it doesn't help...
The studies and doctors who say it DOES help are marginalized or worse.
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Study: Hydroxychloroquine had no benefit for hospitalized Covid-19 patients, possibly closing door to use of drug
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/05/...o-use-of-drug/
On Wednesday, another group of researchers released results from another randomized study, testing whether giving people hydroxychloroquine shortly after they have been exposed to someone with Covid-19 could prevent disease transmission. That study also showed no benefit, thought some researchers, including Gellad and Califf, say some effect is still possible.
“It could still have an effect given very early in disease, although less and less likely every day that passes,” Gellad said.
There are dozens of studies ongoing with hydroxychloroquine, more than for any other potential Covid-19 treatment, including studies that combine it with antibiotics such as azithromycin or doxycycline. But the results appear to show the benefit of putting resources into testing medicines in large randomized trials, the medical gold standard, during a pandemic.
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Btw, double blind placebo administered clinical trials, the standard for years, work in the following way....
Double Blind. In the context of a clinical trial, double-blind means that neither the patients nor the researchers know who is getting a placebo and who is getting the treatment. Because patients don't know what they're getting, their belief about what will happen doesn't taint the results.
Where is Dr.Stella and her double blind placebo tests published? There is none?
Why not have the 1/2 dead Tea Party higher ups fund a study. After all they organized and funded, with the filming assistance that paragon of clinical medicine, Breitbart, the inept "frontline" barely experienced with covid "doctors",
Call up Trump.
He can afford to fund it tout suite.
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07-30-2020, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Nobody wants to hear anything about a medication Trump himself cheerleads.
Not anyone in power or in the media, anyway.
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Double DUH!
For early treatment of mild COVID-19, University of Minnesota trial shows hydroxychloroquine has no benefit over placebo
July 16, 2020
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-eve...roquine-has-no
Today, University of Minnesota Medical School researchers published the results from the first randomized clinical trial testing hydroxychloroquine for the early treatment of mild COVID-19 among persons who are not hospitalized.
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How come the frontline geniuses did not volunteer to help out? How come the
University of Minnesota Medical School researchers had no idea Dr Stella et al, were really on the "front lines of the research and clinical trials on Trump's magic bullet?? 
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07-30-2020, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
I read early on that France had big success with HCQ.
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Link?
Do you speak French as well as Babbleonian?
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07-30-2020, 04:51 AM
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The media is NOT suppressing anything. The way science works is the good stuff rises to the top. the deadwood sinks. Not always right away and not always 100% correct, but hundreds of times more accurate than someone claiming "alien DNA" has anything to do with anything.
A write up on the pro's and con's. The devil is in the details.
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/healt...udy/index.html
"Kalkanis said that their findings do not necessarily contradict those of earlier studies. "We also want to make the point that just because our results differ from some others that may have been published, it doesn't make those studies wrong or definitely a conflict. What it simply means is that by looking at the nuanced data of which patients actually benefited and when, we might be able to further unlock the code of how this disease works," he said. "
...."As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal.
"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.
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07-30-2020, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Double DUH!
For early treatment of mild COVID-19, University of Minnesota trial shows hydroxychloroquine has no benefit over placebo
July 16, 2020
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-eve...roquine-has-no
Today, University of Minnesota Medical School researchers published the results from the first randomized clinical trial testing hydroxychloroquine for the early treatment of mild COVID-19 among persons who are not hospitalized.
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How come the frontline geniuses did not volunteer to help out? How come the
University of Minnesota Medical School researchers had no idea Dr Stella et al, were really on the "front lines of the research and clinical trials on Trump's magic bullet?? |
where is the zinc? they used it alone....
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07-30-2020, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
The media is NOT suppressing anything. The way science works is the good stuff rises to the top. the deadwood sinks. Not always right away and not always 100% correct, but hundreds of times more accurate than someone claiming "alien DNA" has anything to do with anything.
A write up on the pro's and con's. The devil is in the details.
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/healt...udy/index.html
"Kalkanis said that their findings do not necessarily contradict those of earlier studies. "We also want to make the point that just because our results differ from some others that may have been published, it doesn't make those studies wrong or definitely a conflict. What it simply means is that by looking at the nuanced data of which patients actually benefited and when, we might be able to further unlock the code of how this disease works," he said. "
...."As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal.
"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients. |
You're lying! The media suppresses whatever story doesn't fit their narrative. Are you denying that all social media scrubbed the recent "white coats summit". The left only champions free speech when they're speaking!
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07-30-2020, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
You're lying! The media suppresses whatever story doesn't fit their narrative. Are you denying that all social media scrubbed the recent "white coats summit". The left only champions free speech when they're speaking!
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And you are paranoid and full of it as usual
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07-30-2020, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Twitter has blocked the video and killed her personal account
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Why NOT it was full of BS
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07-30-2020, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
And you are paranoid and full of it as usual
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You're still lying. Everyone knows virtually all social media ("big tech") frantically scurried to scrub the story. In other words...more lies by the lamestream media...this time by omission.
If youy don't believe me, post the vid by YouTube or Vimeo, or any other major source, other than Bitchute.
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07-30-2020, 12:05 PM
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Hey babble man, this is the headline from your last link....
3 Countries Prove Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus (video)
Great! However where are these 3 countries randomized double blind placebo peer-reviews studies? The absolute best way to get this so-called "magic pill" out into the rest of the world. How come they are not forthcoming with those studies? Unless of course I missed those studies.
A link perhaps?
Or as I suggested, why not have the Tea Party and Briet/Dumbart, or/and your Moron, fund full fledged double-blind placebo studies instead of faking a bunch of inexperienced "doctors" with absolutely no standing?
That way Trump can tweet some facts instead of half assed speculation
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07-30-2020, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Hey babble man, this is the headline from your last link....
3 Countries Prove Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus (video)
Great! However where are these 3 countries randomized double blind placebo peer-reviews studies? The absolute best way to get this so-called "magic pill" out into the rest of the world. How come they are not forthcoming with those studies? Unless of course I missed those studies.
A link perhaps?
Or as I suggested, why not have the Tea Party and Briet/Dumbart, or/and your Moron, fund full fledged double-blind placebo studies instead of faking a bunch of inexperienced "doctors" with absolutely no standing?
That way Trump can tweet some facts instead of half assed speculation
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You missed the latest link I postede today to the Yale Dr.'s expose on the Fauci misinformation campaign. In that he talks about your vaunted "randomized double blind" studies.
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07-30-2020, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Hey babble man, this is the headline from your last link....
3 Countries Prove Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus (video)
Great! However where are these 3 countries randomized double blind placebo peer-reviews studies? The absolute best way to get this so-called "magic pill" out into the rest of the world. How come they are not forthcoming with those studies? Unless of course I missed those studies.
A link perhaps?
Or as I suggested, why not have the Tea Party and Briet/Dumbart, or/and your Moron, fund full fledged double-blind placebo studies instead of faking a bunch of inexperienced "doctors" with absolutely no standing?
That way Trump can tweet some facts instead of half assed speculation
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Oh...glad you mentioned "doctors with no standing" -- like Fauci? When was the last time he ever examined a patient?
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