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08-25-2018, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Seemed like a rough trip for Good Magic who should have been up on that lead, and may have had some contact. Didn't look good at the finish from what I saw.
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Yeah bad trip I thought and i also saw some contact. He looked like he just stopped running after that.
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08-25-2018, 06:27 PM
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Main track playing fast? Normally I'd think 23/47 would be a taxing pace for 10 furlongs at Saratoga. Not sure today.
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08-26-2018, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Main track playing fast? Normally I'd think 23/47 would be a taxing pace for 10 furlongs at Saratoga. Not sure today.
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More of a race-flow guy than a seconds/minutes 'clock' guy, but I would tentatively slap the label of; 'Moderate Early, Moderate-Fast Middle, Moderate Late'.
It was good to be out front in the forward flow where Catholic Boy and Mendelssohn were positioned.
Speed seemed to be carrying well both in the card, and in that race, and 2 or 3 pace-projected forward factors did not fire;(Trigger Warning, Good Magic)(3 if you include Wonder Gadot's inability to factor with her expected middle-move).
Wasn't extreme in either direction.
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08-26-2018, 07:13 PM
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Sort of with you on this Jason. What worried me most was reading your write up of the race and seeing you did not like CB. Respect your opinion, and when I like a horse and someone else doesn't, it makes me sit back and reconsider. While watching the race and looking at the fractions, I kept thinking, not to fast, not to slow, where's GM?
Maybe I should sign this.
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Jim
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08-26-2018, 07:44 PM
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Jim,
Disliking Catholic Boy was epic stupidity on my part.
Catholic Boy was at worst a solid horse. Increasing Beyer figure pattern, proven stamina, coming in off a nice win.
I think he had a nice trip, in a race that came up softer than expected, but he did some serious running. He earned that win.
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Originally Posted by jay68802
Sort of with you on this Jason. What worried me most was reading your write up of the race and seeing you did not like CB. Respect your opinion, and when I like a horse and someone else doesn't, it makes me sit back and reconsider. While watching the race and looking at the fractions, I kept thinking, not to fast, not to slow, where's GM?
Maybe I should sign this.
Best Regards,
Jim
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08-27-2018, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
CATHOLIC BOY - TOSS. Can include 3rd/4th on coverage-oriented tickets. I've never been impressed by this horse. He always seems to take money because of a popular name. His form is pretty'd-up with back-to-back graded wins. He's been with the race-flow several times. I dislike him so much that I left him off the above post. . Castellano can get him 4th or something if he is very patient and closes late. His recent success near the pace works against him. This isn't the Sam F. Davis chasing a slow pace.
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I doubt this will make you feel better But I HATED this horse's chances as well. I told Tina as they were walking into the gate 7-1 was a laughable underlay and I'd give twice that to anybody who wanted.
As many of you know I'm a ThoroGraph guy through and through. I thought it was going to take somewhere around a negative 1 or 2 to win the race. Catholic Boy had just paired 4's.
Yes. A very strong pattern (with rest) that can produce new tops. But 7-1 on a horse drawn outside that needed to run a 6 point top?
Still can't figure out how he dominated like that.
Gotta tip my cap to the winners and move on.
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08-27-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I doubt this will make you feel better But I HATED this horse's chances as well. I told Tina as they were walking into the gate 7-1 was a laughable underlay and I'd give twice that to anybody who wanted.
As many of you know I'm a ThoroGraph guy through and through. I thought it was going to take somewhere around a negative 1 or 2 to win the race. Catholic Boy had just paired 4's.
Yes. A very strong pattern (with rest) that can produce new tops. But 7-1 on a horse drawn outside that needed to run a 6 point top?
Still can't figure out how he dominated like that.
Gotta tip my cap to the winners and move on.
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Yeah, that was a rare one that Ragozin guys had. They do happen every now and then.
As they used to say, there's always fresh.
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08-27-2018, 10:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I doubt this will make you feel better But I HATED this horse's chances as well. I told Tina as they were walking into the gate 7-1 was a laughable underlay and I'd give twice that to anybody who wanted.
As many of you know I'm a ThoroGraph guy through and through. I thought it was going to take somewhere around a negative 1 or 2 to win the race. Catholic Boy had just paired 4's.
Yes. A very strong pattern (with rest) that can produce new tops. But 7-1 on a horse drawn outside that needed to run a 6 point top?
Still can't figure out how he dominated like that.
Gotta tip my cap to the winners and move on.
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Tough race to predict. Good Magic was nowhere, Catholic Boy ran every bit as good as West Coast did for Baffert in 2017.
I studied the TG figs as well. I've watched all the races. I guess he's improving and is a serious horse.
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