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03-25-2019, 12:32 PM
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Not at all.
Russia helped Trump get elected.
I know it's hard for you all to wrap your narrow minds around that fact.
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Source, please for this factual finding. Is it in the Mueller report? Does the report contain a finding with supporting evidence that Russia helped President Trump to get elected?
I've heard this sentiment for over two years, about Russia helping Trump to be elected, especially through collusion with the campaign. Yet, I have not seen any evidence. In fact, the Mueller report found factually that no U.S. citizen or the campaign conspired with Russia.
If you are going to repeat the mantra, give us factual evidence proving the President was elected due to Russia's help, otherwise reasonable people will conclude it is the ravings of collusion delusion.
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03-25-2019, 12:38 PM
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Source, please for this factual finding. Is it in the Mueller report? Does the report contain a finding with supporting evidence that Russia helped President Trump to get elected?
I've heard this sentiment for over two years, about Russia helping Trump to be elected, especially through collusion with the campaign. Yet, I have not seen any evidence. In fact, the Mueller report found factually that no U.S. citizen or the campaign conspired with Russia.
If you are going to repeat the mantra, give us factual evidence proving the President was elected due to Russia's help, otherwise reasonable people will conclude it is the ravings of collusion delusion.
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Seriously... are you guys allergic to reading?
"The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks."
"the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
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03-25-2019, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Source, please for this factual finding. Is it in the Mueller report? Does the report contain a finding with supporting evidence that Russia helped President Trump to get elected?
I've heard this sentiment for over two years, about Russia helping Trump to be elected, especially through collusion with the campaign. Yet, I have not seen any evidence. In fact, the Mueller report found factually that no U.S. citizen or the campaign conspired with Russia.
If you are going to repeat the mantra, give us factual evidence proving the President was elected due to Russia's help, otherwise reasonable people will conclude it is the ravings of collusion delusion.
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I never said that Trump was elected due to Russian assistance.
If they helped get him one vote, they interfered.
Surely, no one disputes they were involved?
The frightening aspect is why they chose to help Trump over HRC.
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03-25-2019, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
I never said that Trump was elected due to Russian assistance.
If they helped get him one vote, they interfered.
Surely, no one disputes they were involved?
The frightening aspect is why they chose to help Trump over HRC.
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Because he's an idiot.
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03-25-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Seriously... are you guys allergic to reading?
"The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks."
"the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
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Where is the factual evidence this actually helped Trump's election? Did they do a survey of voters? Were vote totals manipulated by Russia? There is factual findings that vote totals were not manipulated by Russia.
We don't have a problem with reading, we have a problem with conclusions that are not based in logic. Citing a broad brush statement is not proof or evidence. You have to show how that information impacted the election.
What facts can you cite that show an actual impact on voter behavior. It can only be on voter behavior, as I said a factual finding has been made that vote totals were not manipulated by Russia.
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03-25-2019, 12:50 PM
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Okay, so what.
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Gee... I dunno...
Maybe that's why people want the entire report released. 
Welcome to the signature!
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03-25-2019, 12:52 PM
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Full Stop.
I have no problem with Hillary being a piece of shit candidate and person... she, for a multitude of reasons, is.
That doesn't excuse the fact that Russia was extremely active in getting Trump elected and people on here don't give a damn because it benefited them.
Don't believe me?
Look at past posts on here or actually read what Barr said.
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I don't believe that Russia had any interest in getting either Hillary or Trump elected, per se. Their main interest was to weaken this country by creating a serious rift/divide among its citizens, and that is where they have succeeded beyond expectations. Hillary was probably the main target because she was easy...a lot more known baggage with Hillary than with Trump. This attempt to divide didn't start with the 2016 election; however, I have a feeling that this election will be where it ends. We'll have Trump to thank for that, too. Remember: "...despite multiple offers from Russian-affliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
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03-25-2019, 12:52 PM
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Your words from post 48;
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
Not at all.
Russia helped Trump get elected.
I know it's hard for you all to wrap your narrow minds around that fact.
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You clearly state Russia helped Trump get elected and that it was a fact. You did not say Russia interfered.
So where is this factual source evidence that Russia helped Trump get elected?
Ralph is right, you should amend your words, if you really meant Russia tried to interfere in our election.
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03-25-2019, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Because he's an idiot.
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That....and that they prefer a divided America.
MAGA is a very polarizing slogan.
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03-25-2019, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Gee... I dunno...
Maybe that's why people want the entire report released.
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If my using reason and logic and that you cannot provide any evidence for your statement means that I am a MAGA bro, so be it.
Maybe PA needs a little nudge to remember he banned quoting members in signatures, a few years ago.
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03-25-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
That....and that they prefer a divided America.
MAGA is a very polarizing slogan.
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Divided America. What is more divisive than saying the Russians helped the President to get elected and that the President is a Russian asset, a foreign agent, etc.?
Lack of self-awareness, by the side that is dividing America with unfounded accusations spouted as facts.
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03-25-2019, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
We'll have Trump to thank for that, too. Remember: "...despite multiple offers from Russian-affliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
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The very same report you are using to exonerate the President is the one that torpedoes the snipped part of your post.
As to the quoted part...?
What are you talking about? This is the same guy that spoke at Helsinki and hundreds of times throughout the campaign said there was no contact between them and Russia...
Surely the guy that will address it.
Meanwhile in actual foreign policy world, where he sucks, we are nearly in Global Retreat at this point much to the delight of the Russian Government.
They landed troops in Argentina yesterday... 
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03-25-2019, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
If my using reason and logic and that you cannot provide any evidence for your statement means that I am a MAGA bro, so be it.
Maybe PA needs a little nudge to remember he banned quoting members in signatures, a few years ago.
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You wanted evidence I quoted the report you are using to exonerate the President...
Wait until it comes out or is Barr lying in the letter?
You guys love having it both ways...
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03-25-2019, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Divided America. What is more divisive than saying the Russians helped the President to get elected and that the President is a Russian asset, a foreign agent, etc.?
Lack of self-awareness, by the side that is dividing America with unfounded accusations spouted as facts.
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You are really tiresome.
We've been down this road so many times, I'm sick of it.
No sane person disputes that Russia interfered in our 2016 elections.
Look up any of the hundreds of sources in search engines.
Here's one to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ates_elections
There's nothing more to say on this topic.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
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03-25-2019, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
You are really tiresome.
We've been down this road so many times, I'm sick of it.
No sane person disputes that Russia interfered in our 2016 elections.
Look up any of the hundreds of sources in search engines.
Here's one to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ates_elections
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