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08-29-2010, 05:25 PM
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Where Do You Want Your Horse Positioned?
So you spent a fair amount of time isolating your main contender and are getting decent odds.
What running style do you want to see your horse to display today? How should it distribute its energy?
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08-29-2010, 05:42 PM
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The one the horse has been in when he has won in the past.
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08-29-2010, 05:48 PM
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Given the way that you worded the choices, I would opt for number 2. I like a horse to be favorably positioned early (including the lead), but not if it means going unnecessarily fast to open a wide lead, or holding the lead at any cost by engaging in a speed duel. As long as the horse is within striking distance, then the addition of class, condition, speed, and the rider's judgment/ability into the equation is generally enough for the horse to maintain a maximum effort to the wire.
(That doesn't necessarily mean that I would bet only those types, however. If I bet a late-running horse, it would be because I believed that he had a sufficient edge over the competition in the areas that I mentioned to offset the disadvantages that go along with having to come from behind.)
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08-29-2010, 07:05 PM
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velocitician
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No race being the same, or anywhere even close, I want my horse close to where I predicted it to be.
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08-29-2010, 10:30 PM
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I would like my horse to get the lead...and then improve its position.
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08-30-2010, 11:30 AM
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Energy style- depending on what the track profile is at the distance, this is usually the determining factor among my preliminary contenders.
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08-30-2010, 11:48 AM
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For me, if I have done my homework well, and remain focused, all I ask is for my pick to be in or nearing contention at the top of the lane......
best,
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08-30-2010, 04:07 PM
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Depends on the surface and distance.
Dirt sprints = on the lead....alone
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08-30-2010, 06:14 PM
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what an easy game.
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10-14-2010, 12:08 PM
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Hopefully, you'd like the horse positioned in the area with the highest impact value for producing winners at the track/surface/distance.
That being said, I don't think that unless you are an exceptional specialist, you should be concentrating prime bets in race where the winner comes generally from off the pace. That is, you want to concentrate on E types and E/P types where their style suits the T/S/D. Consequently, I want my horse close to the pace as possible.
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10-14-2010, 02:34 PM
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that depends
Position being all important! I just hate when a late type is sent. Trying to determine a genuine late type(think Z here) is sometimes a bit tricky, and frustrating. Genuine speed types much easier for me to determine. I can predict the leader in over 90% of handicapped races. Not nearly good enough spotting the cheap speed though.
The next time you play horses from this circuit....Louisiana Downs, Evangeline and Delta with Fairgrounds thrown in.......explain the lousy performances, and the amazing turnarounds, as these shippers move from track to track. Its an eye opener with regards to race position, early speed, and horse for courses. I would appreciate comments on this circuit, realizing its off the subject.
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10-14-2010, 03:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by michiken
So you spent a fair amount of time isolating your main contender and are getting decent odds.
What running style do you want to see your horse to display today? How should it distribute its energy?
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It's impossible to answer that question without knowing the distance of the race and the natural style of the horse you like. For example, if you like Quality Road in the BCC, you definitely don't want to see him at the back of the pack.
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10-15-2010, 12:05 AM
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I'd prefer my selections to be positioned in the winners circle, ready for the
photo....
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10-15-2010, 01:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by michiken
So you spent a fair amount of time isolating your main contender and are getting decent odds.
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What running style do you want to see your horse to display today? How should it distribute its energy?
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If you have spent a fair amount of time on a race, you should already have an idea regarding horses running style and how it's energy may be distributed.
If you do not, do not invest one cent and keep practising on paper.
Hope this helps and all the best.
Last edited by Charlie D; 10-15-2010 at 01:53 AM.
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10-15-2010, 08:51 AM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Underneath the jockey for the duration of the race....
I hate deep closers. Anwhere else is fine depending on how the race is being run.
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