here we go again, this time it is New York

[Parson]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ks/1796148001/

[Dream_Police]

Which is more irresponsible, Paying to breed, raise a foal pay for all the vet care, stable it, feed it, bath it and have an unfortunate accident and it be euthanized or own a dog or cat and not get it spade or neutered and let it breed multiple time and those animals for no other reason than not having room or just not want them, get euthanized. With MILLIONS of dogs and cats being destroyed every year you would think PETA would at least be doing something about that but then again they aren't the biggest fish in the pond and that wouldn't get them in the papers or on TV.

[AMPHAR]

Just asking because I have no idea, but what happens to the remains of a horse that dies at a race track?

[Millpond68]

You do not want to know.

[airford1]

Originally Posted by AMPHAR

Just asking because I have no idea, but what happens to the remains of a horse that dies at a race track?

Depends on the local flavor, At Caliente it was Carnita's.

[The_Turf_Monster]

If NYRA wants to get ahead of this before it spirals out of control, it would implement all of the safeguards that California implemented including the vet certification that there is nothing wrong with the horse, the panel that can block entries, etc.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Parson

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ks/1796148001/

This is a direct quote from the article in YOUR link
"Despite the recent incidents, horse-racing deaths in New York have been trending downward since 2010. The number of deaths per 1,000 starts is below the national average, according to the New York Racing Association."
Soooooo. Where are we going here?

Ya know, if there is a REAL problem, I support exposing the problem then working toward a solution
Often , people like to point out things not being done correctly, then instead of working toward a solution, they resist solutions in order to continue to have something about which to complain.
USA Today BURIED the above quote in the last paragraph of the story.
This is nonsense journalism. In fact it doesn't qualify as journalism.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Dream_Police

Which is more irresponsible, Paying to breed, raise a foal pay for all the vet care, stable it, feed it, bath it and have an unfortunate accident and it be euthanized or own a dog or cat and not get it spade or neutered and let it breed multiple time and those animals for no other reason than not having room or just not want them, get euthanized. With MILLIONS of dogs and cats being destroyed every year you would think PETA would at least be doing something about that but then again they aren't the biggest fish in the pond and that wouldn't get them in the papers or on TV.

LIke other activist organizations, PETA exists on the platform of complaining.
If they had become an organization that produces solutions, they'd have no purpose. They could not continue to raise funds to pay their officers their salaries.
This is on no way to dismiss the existing problems.
Rather, that organizations such as PETA, do nothing to produce ideas to find solutions to the issues about which they complain

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by thespaah

LIke other activist organizations, PETA exists on the platform of complaining.
If they had become an organization that produces solutions, they'd have no purpose. They could not continue to raise funds to pay their officers their salaries.
This is on no way to dismiss the existing problems.
Rather, that organizations such as PETA, do nothing to produce ideas to find solutions to the issues about which they complain

Their solution is to stop the activity. Realistically how else would you stop racing related deaths?

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Their solution is to stop the activity. Realistically how else would you stop racing related deaths?

Just as with any other activity in which human beings participate there are inherent risks.
Got a question..
With today's jelly spined, hand wringing,risk averse mentality, how many of our greatest achievements would ,if proposed today would not come to fruition?Chesepeake Bay Bridge Tunnel.
Air travel...
In Interstate System.
NASA moon exploration.
Horse racing carries with it certain risks. There is no way on earth that zero accidents which result in a horse being euthanized can be prevented.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by thespaah

With today's jelly spined, hand wringing,risk averse mentality, how many of our greatest achievements would ,if proposed today would not come to fruition?Chesepeake Bay Bridge Tunnel.
Air travel...
In Interstate System.
NASA moon exploration.
Horse racing carries with it certain risks. There is no way on earth that zero accidents which result in a horse being euthanized can be prevented.

The events to which you're comparing horse racing to generally benefit the entire society or have the possibility of doing so.

Not sure how horse racing fits into any of these things you just mentioned. I get your point about risk, but this isn't a logical analogy.

[AMPHAR]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Their solution is to stop the activity. Realistically how else would you stop racing related deaths?

I guess based on the reply’s above: eat the horses before they die racing.

Let PETA pick a fight with Bob the Butcher and the population that eats horse meat.

Horse racing fans should be more concerned with the abuse of the animal and the corruption that occurs by trying to keep the animal running when it shouldn’t.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by AMPHAR

I guess based on the reply’s above: eat the horses before they die racing.

Let PETA pick a fight with Bob the Butcher and the population that eats horse meat.

Horse racing fans should be more concerned with the abuse of the animal and the corruption that occurs by trying to keep the animal running when it shouldn’t.

Unfortunately PETA has already picked their fight.

I wouldn't call trying to keep a horse running corruption. Whether a horse should or shouldn't be running is not always an obvious decision. Certainly there are more problems on the low end of the scale than with the higher valued horses.

[AMPHAR]

I would just love to know the pounds of horse meat produced from previous race horses and to what populations it helps feed.

I think that could change the conversation.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by AndyC

I wouldn't call trying to keep a horse running corruption. Whether a horse should or shouldn't be running is not always an obvious decision. Certainly there are more problems on the low end of the scale than with the higher valued horses.

That recent interview w/Dr. Bramlage and Dr. McIlwraith addressed this problem. Youtube.

According to them, there are many horses who do not receive the veterinary inspection that they should have, as a matter of fact, there are horses racing who have not been "gone over" well at all. Do you know which interview i'm talking about?

"There’s a lot of variation between barns, trainers, and vets as to how detailed an examination is regularly done on horses,” McIlwraith said. “(We need) a uniform diagnostic level where these horses get thoroughly examined regularly."

Bramlage said: “There’s this perception sometimes that we don’t have diagnostic equipment that can identify the kind of injury that predisposes a horse to a fatality,” he said. “More times than not, it’s not that we can’t identify it, it’s that we’re not looking...."


They also suggested that there are ways the industry can combat issues—like canceling racing when conditions dictate-----yet we all know what happened at Monmouth last weekend when almost every other track cancelled.