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05-08-2022, 06:40 PM
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If he had no horse in the Preakness or a much different running style than Early Voting it might be worth thinking about it if the horse came out of the race good. But he's got horses for the Preakness and Jack Christopher would just wind up stalking Early Voting. So why rush a horse and stretch him 3/16ths when he's just coming back off an injury and may compromise your other horse? There are too many big races left later.
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05-08-2022, 06:59 PM
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If he had no horse in the Preakness or a much different running style than Early Voting it might be worth thinking about it if the horse came out of the race good. But he's got horses for the Preakness and Jack Christopher would just wind up stalking Early Voting. So why rush a horse and stretch him 3/16ths when he's just coming back off an injury and may compromise your other horse? There are too many big races left later.
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Considering how delicate horses are now, if you're an owner or trainer and your horse doesn't win the Derby, you might as well skip the Preakness - and if your horse stopped to a walk in the Derby, you might as well pursue the sprint championship.
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05-08-2022, 07:10 PM
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If he had no horse in the Preakness or a much different running style than Early Voting it might be worth thinking about it if the horse came out of the race good. But he's got horses for the Preakness and Jack Christopher would just wind up stalking Early Voting. So why rush a horse and stretch him 3/16ths when he's just coming back off an injury and may compromise your other horse? There are too many big races left later.
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Yeah....no.
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05-09-2022, 01:26 AM
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I'm more interested in whether or not Lukas runs Ethereal Road in the Preakness. Without Lukas' decision Friday morning, we get a much different Derby winner.
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05-09-2022, 07:35 AM
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Asmussen had a real rough weekend as it turns. ECHO ZULO came prepared and wound up in a speed duel, she got beat about 3 lengths. EPICENTER drew as bad as he could draw, ran a monster race and got aced at the wire. i don't know about the filly, but EPICENTER is not done with this triple crown series.
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zandon also not finished
too close to a sizzling derby pace.
cuts back in the preakness.
no excuses.
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05-09-2022, 08:54 AM
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Yeah....no.
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It clearly makes less sense when you already have multiple options.
If he didn't, imo it should probably at least be a discussion.
He may conclude it's better to be cautious, space the horse's races, and stretch the horse out slowly anyway, but based on who won the Derby and all the horses that seem to be skipping the Preakness, unless Epicenter goes he'd probably be the favorite.
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05-12-2022, 03:15 AM
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05-12-2022, 09:15 AM
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Very nice, interesting field here in the Preakness thus far.
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05-12-2022, 01:07 PM
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Rich Strike out. Connections saving the horse for the Belmont Stakes.
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05-12-2022, 01:17 PM
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Rich Strike out. Connections saving the horse for the Belmont Stakes.
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Pitchers don't finish no hitters and perfect games, and horses don't try for the Triple Crown. Too strenuous. Welcome to 2022.
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05-12-2022, 01:20 PM
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The owners are just following their original plan. Winning the Derby was great but they did it because they had a long term plan they were following.
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05-12-2022, 01:26 PM
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The owners are just following their original plan. Winning the Derby was great but they did it because they had a long term plan they were following.
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Did the long term plan include lucking out to draw into the Derby in the first place?
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05-12-2022, 01:29 PM
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Did the long term plan include lucking out to draw into the Derby in the first place?
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The owners know the type of horse they have. Which was one that was an 80-1 shot at the Derby that had a perfect trip to win the race. They also know they probably don't have a super horse which is why they were content in not running in a race that they felt might not have a shot of winning. So they get a horse who won the Derby with 5 weeks of rest going into the Belmont where it would have a very good shot at winning.
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05-12-2022, 01:34 PM
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The owners know the type of horse they have. Which was one that was an 80-1 shot at the Derby that had a perfect trip to win the race. They also know they probably don't have a super horse which is why they were content in not running in a race that they felt might not have a shot of winning. So they get a horse who won the Derby with 5 weeks of rest going into the Belmont where it would have a very good shot at winning.
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To be less silly about it, obviously there's an argument for waiting for the Belmont. Though I might add, it's not nearly as strong as it might appear:
1. There's always at least a chance of another pace collapse in the Preakness. I.e., entering the Preakness isn't any more of a risk than entering the Derby was. And if you do win the Preakness, now you're looking at a possibility of something of immense value.
2. 5 weeks rest is overrated. We all know this, right? Lots of Derby winners win the Preakness, and lots of cheaper horses still run back on a couple of weeks rest.
3. It's not like the Belmont actually favors deep closers. 1 1/2 mile dirt races sometimes DON'T favor them, because the paces are so slow. A paceless Belmont that a closer can't get up in time to win is actually just as likely, or more likely, than a paceless Preakness.
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05-12-2022, 03:21 PM
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I see this as a repeat of the 1982 season when Gato Del Sol bypassed the Preakness and came in 2nd behind Conquistador Cielo in the Belmont. Within 3 years there was concern the Triple Crown would be a thing of the past when Spend A Buck bypassed the Preakness and went for the New Jersey series instead. They were scrambling and made a bonus program in 1987 in an effort to bring all 3 races together. The idea of the Triple Crown schedule is starting to wane after American Pharoah and Justify won it.
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