3 year old eclipse award

[mutualwagerer]

So who do you guys like heading into the second half after these past two days of stakes races?? Bayern is able to get distance, tonalist got beat down, shared belief is coming back, cc is still out there. Id even throw in my derby fav depending when he comes back top billing (Im Biased).

(Not sure if there is a thread already started, so if so I apologize.)

[letswastemoney]

Unless one of those other 3 year olds wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, Chrome is a near lock to win. Winning the SA Derby/Kentucky Derby/Preakness is a powerful combination.

Any other combination of 3 G1s not containing the Classic will fall short.

[mutualwagerer]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Unless one of those other 3 year olds wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, Chrome is a near lock to win. Winning the SA Derby/Kentucky Derby/Preakness is a powerful combination.

Any other combination of 3 G1s not containing the Classic will fall short.

I was tallying it up, with Bayern G1 Haskell impressively, G2 Woody Impressively, and the G3 Derby trial that should've been a win. Wicked Strong G1 Wood, G2 Dandy, and 4th in both derby (Bad Start) and Preakness (DeadHeated with CC). Shared Belief G1 CashCall, G2 Los Al, G3 Hollywood, plus 2 year old eclipse winner. Im still skeptic of CC, idk never was a fan so mildly biased but Bayern looks like a monster right now if he keeps it up, along with Shared Belief coming back strong second half.

[Thebigguy]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Unless one of those other 3 year olds wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, Chrome is a near lock to win. Winning the SA Derby/Kentucky Derby/Preakness is a powerful combination.

Any other combination of 3 G1s not containing the Classic will fall short.

Strongly disagree. Chrome is ahead as of right now, but its not by much. I believe Wicked Strong will win the Travers and Bayern will win the PA Derby if he goes. That makes things really intriguing. 3 horse race IMO. The combination you mentioned is powerful, but what about winning the Wood, Jim Dandy, Travers then running well in the JCGC and BC, possibly finishing ahead of CHrome.

[Some_One]

WTC did it last year by winning the Clark

[jballscalls]

If I remember correctly, no horse to win the first two legs of the TC has ever not gotten 3yo Eclipse award since they started giving them out.

I'll Have Another,Big Brown, Smarty Jones,Funny Cide,War Emblem, Charismatic, Real Quiet, Silver Charm, Sunday Silence, Alysheba, Pleasant Colony, Spectacular Bid, Cananero II

Horses that won Derby/Belmont or Preakness Belmont have also won 3yo Eclipse

Afleet Alex, Point Given, Thunder Gulch, Hansel, Risen Star, Swale, Bold Forbes, Little Current.

Only horses I could find that won eclipse in the same year a horse won 2 of 3 in the TC series were Holy Bull (Tabasco Cat) and Key to the Mint (Riva Ridge)

[rastajenk]

Chrome's owner's Belmont antics could make the vote closer than it might have otherwise been. A horse may earn an Eclipse, but its humans are the ones that receive the award.

[Tom]

At this point CC stands alone.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Thebigguy

Strongly disagree. Chrome is ahead as of right now, but its not by much. I believe Wicked Strong will win the Travers and Bayern will win the PA Derby if he goes. That makes things really intriguing. 3 horse race IMO. The combination you mentioned is powerful, but what about winning the Wood, Jim Dandy, Travers then running well in the JCGC and BC, possibly finishing ahead of CHrome.

Its one thing to win wire to wire at 1 1/8 miles over the Monmouth surface; quite another to do that at usually dead railed Parx.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Valuist

Its one thing to win wire to wire at 1 1/8 miles over the Monmouth surface; quite another to do that at usually dead railed Parx.

I'd be surprised if it were a dead rail on PA Derby day.

[cj]

About the only way for California Chrome to not win the 3yo Eclipse is for some other three year old to get hot, go on a run, and cap it off by beating older horses in the Breeder's Cup.

[mutualwagerer]

Originally Posted by rastajenk

Chrome's owner's Belmont antics could make the vote closer than it might have otherwise been. A horse may earn an Eclipse, but its humans are the ones that receive the award.

That's an intriguing point, do you think it would really be possible for an owner to cost a horse that award? Im a young'n so not sure but has there ever then an owner that has behaved like cc?

[mutualwagerer]

Originally Posted by cj

About the only way for California Chrome to not win the 3yo Eclipse is for some other three year old to get hot, go on a run, and cap it off by beating older horses in the Breeder's Cup.

Just like someone else mentioned before WTC last year, and case could be made for PM last year as well, Verrazano and Orb were the hot early horses in the year but fizzled out after the Triple Crown. Could we see it again this year, with Bayern looking like a real deal among the others listed.

[mutualwagerer]

Just saw this hope he and CC meet up in the PA Derby

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ext-for-bayern

(Wouldn't let me edit last post to put this in)

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by Thebigguy

Strongly disagree. Chrome is ahead as of right now, but its not by much. I believe Wicked Strong will win the Travers and Bayern will win the PA Derby if he goes. That makes things really intriguing. 3 horse race IMO. The combination you mentioned is powerful, but what about winning the Wood, Jim Dandy, Travers then running well in the JCGC and BC, possibly finishing ahead of CHrome.

"Running Well" in the JCGC and BC isn't going to beat a Derby/ Preakness winner.

CC could be beaten if a horse gets on a roll (but if this weekend taught us anything it is that right now the division is more of a mashup than we think, any horse getting on a roll might be hard to imagine).

Bayern is going to have to win a race at 10 furlongs before he gets serious consideration. He (like Wicked Strong) is going to have an uphill battle because they where around during Triple Crown time but had nothing to show for it. One of those two horses was in each of the triple crown races and not even a show bet was cashed on either.

Tonalist was the best bet to upstage Chrome but he is going to need a Travers win and probably a BC Classic win todo it now.

Shared belief is interesting, he (like Tonalist) will get a pass on the TC races, but he still has lots to prove. A Pacific Classic and BC Classic win is surely needed to consider him.