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09-23-2017, 01:03 AM
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Saw the title of this thread and I thought it was about RR.
Sorry mods. Had to take one more shot.
I'm done. No more. I promise.
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09-23-2017, 07:46 AM
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Seems like a case of "good enough". Those tattoos tend to bleed together and get harder to read as time goes on. A nondescript race at a lower level track, who cares right?
I have thought this for a long time, in any racing official position you get what you pay for. Most tracks the pay is pretty bad. If you want the position taken seriously and follow best practices, pay the right person for it. They stand to lose alot more from a mistake like this.
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09-23-2017, 08:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
He wasn't barred from Remington, at least not on paper.
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He absolutely was barred from there. Just re-instated this meet.
I had horses with him, and recall him complaining abouty not being able to run there, which I wanted to say it's your own fault, but bit my tongue.
This paticular trainer has no care in the world for the animals. Never sees most of them. It's all a numbers game to him period. Not a good horseman by any means, but does get the job done at the bottom level with the help from something besides good feed and having thier teeth done.
Last edited by BrentT; 09-23-2017 at 08:17 PM.
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09-23-2017, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BrentT
He absolutely was barred from there. Just re-instated this meet.
I had horses with him, and recall him complaining abouty not being able to run there, which I wanted to say it's your own fault, but bit my tongue.
This paticular trainer has no care in the world for the animals. Never sees most of them. It's all a numbers game to him period. Not a good horseman by any means, but does get the job done at the bottom level with the help from something besides good feed and having thier teeth done.
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You could be right, but I'll have to look that up. It must have been 2014. I thought you meant recently. He had a ton of runners in 2013, none in 2014, then a ton in 2015 and 2016 and is on pace for the same this year...for now.
It doesn't make any sense that he would be barred from the grounds but allowed to run hundreds of horses in his own name.
Side note...all the data is still showing the wrong horses at Equibase. Wonder what happens if these horses run back soon.
Last edited by cj; 09-23-2017 at 08:30 PM.
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09-23-2017, 10:33 PM
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Hated that job. Fuzzy tats, wound-up horses. Not a job I would work again.
Last edited by mountainman; 09-23-2017 at 10:36 PM.
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09-25-2017, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by cj
You could be right, but I'll have to look that up. It must have been 2014. I thought you meant recently. He had a ton of runners in 2013, none in 2014, then a ton in 2015 and 2016 and is on pace for the same this year...for now.
It doesn't make any sense that he would be barred from the grounds but allowed to run hundreds of horses in his own name.
Side note...all the data is still showing the wrong horses at Equibase. Wonder what happens if these horses run back soon.
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As soon as an official ruling from the stewards, commission (or whatever other body issues such rulings) is received the chart will be updated.
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10-01-2017, 03:30 PM
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Amazingly, this still hasn't been addressed. One race was almost a month ago, the other two weeks ago. If you check charts or PPs they are still showing the wrong horses.
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10-05-2017, 10:01 AM
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The racing industry is rife with incompetence.
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10-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes...? Or who watches the watchers..? Hence the function of a free press...until of course when all the free press is owned and run by the watchers themselves, which is what we have today...and the independent press, in this case, cj, brings it to our attention, but cj is not mainstream, and the public, fashioned to imbibe only from their regular nurses, shuns the rich milk...
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10-05-2017, 12:59 PM
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I wouldn't expect the chart to change until it's officially changed by the stewards or ruling body.
I'm just confused whether anyone at the track is doing anything. Maybe I missed it, but has the trainer been charged yet with running a ringer (accidentally or not)? I haven't seen anything other than the first article at PR that started this thread. I could've missed it, but don't think anyone's posted here links to more news on this.
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10-05-2017, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
I wouldn't expect the chart to change until it's officially changed by the stewards or ruling body.
I'm just confused whether anyone at the track is doing anything. Maybe I missed it, but has the trainer been charged yet with running a ringer (accidentally or not)? I haven't seen anything other than the first article at PR that started this thread. I could've missed it, but don't think anyone's posted here links to more news on this.
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I agree about the chart. Neither horse has been entered back yet. I tend to think maybe they aren't allowed right now. It would be very problematic if they were allowed to run before something is done, particularly in regard to past performances and eligibility conditions.
It really is mind boggling how there is nothing being reported on this. I even asked Paulick on Twitter for an update but haven't gotten a response.
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10-05-2017, 04:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I agree about the chart. Neither horse has been entered back yet. I tend to think maybe they aren't allowed right now. It would be very problematic if they were allowed to run before something is done, particularly in regard to past performances and eligibility conditions.
It really is mind boggling how there is nothing being reported on this. I even asked Paulick on Twitter for an update but haven't gotten a response.
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I googled and the last I can find is a daily racing form article from September 20, saying it is being investigated. So I guess it's only been a couple weeks which isn't too long.
I totally forgot this is the same man whose wife fell overboard on a carnival cruise line and was lost at sea.
I guess he'd at least have an interesting biography.
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10-06-2017, 12:23 AM
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Best thing to do if you want a response is call remington, ask for the stewards, then ask them. If enough calls come thru they will get it to speeding up, they dont want to answer the publics voice everyday numerous times.
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10-06-2017, 04:57 PM
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Made some calls today. Commission had a hearing scheduled but it was postponed. Should be soon.
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10-11-2017, 11:41 PM
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