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View Poll Results: Did Martin Garcia body slam Follow Me Crev on purpose?
Yes, he's done it before on a Baffert Horse 4 21.05%
No, it just happened 10 52.63%
Not sure but it sure was suspicious 5 26.32%
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Old 05-28-2017, 10:43 AM   #1
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Did Martin Garcia do the right turn body slam on Follow Me Crev on purpose?

Nobody can say for sure but it sure is suspicious given previous incidents. I'll go with yes just to stir the pot.
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Old 05-28-2017, 10:45 AM   #2
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No doubt in my mind he did it on purpose.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:27 AM   #3
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:33 AM   #4
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Baffert "He ducked from the starter" "He can do that"
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:37 AM   #5
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Who knows really, but the way California stewards have handled gate incidents certainly allows for the possibility that somebody would take advantage of it.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:34 PM   #6
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I couldn't tell either way.

It looks like whether it was intentional, or not, that once contact was inevitable that Garcia was aggressive. I don't see anything wrong with that, specifically.

I guess the question is whether Baffert, Tabor et al were 'pulling strings', and chose to impede a main rival, by using and potentially sacrificing one of his two A's.

I don't see it, but the potential is there, and that is worth some thought.

And when a potential advantage exist by way of cheating, you will see Gresham's law play out.
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If anything Garcia should get days for it.
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I'm not Einstein but isn't giving your horse a poor start to give another horse a poor start illogical???
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I'm not Einstein but isn't giving your horse a poor start to give another horse a poor start illogical???
Not if your goal is to eliminate the main competition for your longer priced uncoupled entrymate.

Let's think about this for a second. Martin Garcia is a 10% rider this year. That's with the benefit of riding a lot of choice Baffert stock. Why do you think that is? What does Baffert see that seemingly no other trainer sees?

He's a good Baffert soldier. He does whatever is needed for the team. You've been around, let's not pretend stuff like this is something that can't happen. Tag teams happen all the time. You started a thread about one at Golden Gate the other day remember?
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Follow Me Crev is a deep closer anyway. Giving a deep closer a slow start doesn't hurt that horse's chances much.

The Bayern thing worked because it eliminated Moreno, the other speed horse in the race.
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Follow Me Crev is a deep closer anyway. Giving a deep closer a slow start doesn't hurt that horse's chances much.

The Bayern thing worked because it eliminated Moreno, the other speed horse in the race.
It may not hurt as much as it does a speed horse, but it definitely still hurts the horses chances. He had to make up several additional lengths because of the break. He was 11 lengths back after a 1/4 mile. This is not a horse that is usually that far back---not even close.

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Follow Me Crev is a deep closer anyway. Giving a deep closer a slow start doesn't hurt that horse's chances much.

The Bayern thing worked because it eliminated Moreno, the other speed horse in the race.
Clobbering a horse at the start doesn't hurt his chances much?

What color is the sky? I'm just curious if we can agree on something obvious.
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Baffert "He ducked from the starter" "He can do that"

Absolutely.
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Old 05-29-2017, 12:53 PM   #14
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Absolutely.
It's the starters fault. Remember the press conference where Baffert was caught on a hot mic telling Garcia what to say?

Got this from CHRB Spokesperson Mike Marten (who deserves a statue somewhere someday. This guy is the best at what he does and ALWAYS answers questions.)

I asked if the Stewards spoke to Garcia and/or are going to give him days off.

I’ve sent an email to Darrel McHargue.

Reviewing the race myself, it looked like American Freedom took him by surprise by veering right like that. But maybe a jockey is supposed to be prepared for that possibility. I don’t know. We will see what McHargue says.


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I find this thread comical
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