The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Did the 5 lose action? Did the 5 lose ground as a result of the contact?
Define "crash"....Cuz if my car "crashes" into yours, we're filling out a police report.

Seemed like there was pretty significant contact between horses who were noses apart at the wire.

[Tara73]

On Fountain of Youth day, in the last race how can you not DQ the winner. One look at the head on and it's an obvious call

[menifee]

Originally Posted by Tara73

On Fountain of Youth day, in the last race how can you not DQ the winner. One look at the head on and it's an obvious call

This is what drives me nuts about the game. In the Fountain of Youth, they dq Upstart. I disagreed with that call, but can see how you can go either way. However, if you are going to remain consistent, you need to dq the winner in the last. They were very similar incidents. This is what drives bettors and fans nuts.

[Stillriledup]

What's with this bogus inquiry at Parx in the 7th, they needed to look at this 15 times? When stewards do this they show you they have no clue. This stuff is "Chilling".

[Stillriledup]

Wow here we go again at Parx, bogus inquiry, taking forever to make the race official.

Chilling.

[FlintAtTheFetlock]

GS R1 could not believe they took down my

I chuckled at the inquiry as horse had cleared field and other horse was not in top 5. The entire race was a cluster with horses bouncing off each other but my nearly wires the field and gets tossed?

Can someone tell me what my eyes failed to see

[dansan]

The 4th santa Anita the 8 should of been taken down no ifs ands or buts what a joke and not because I had the 3 horse at 20-1

[cnollfan]

8th at Mountaineer on Sunday 3/1/15. From the pan shot it looks like the 3/5 favorite takes away the path on the rail of the 23-1 challenger. Objection not allowed. The head-on was not quite as conclusive as to how much room there was on the rail to begin with. Thoughts?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by cnollfan

8th at Mountaineer on Sunday 3/1/15. From the pan shot it looks like the 3/5 favorite takes away the path on the rail of the 23-1 challenger. Objection not allowed. The head-on was not quite as conclusive as to how much room there was on the rail to begin with. Thoughts?

I think the 3-5 won by a pole, the 2 wasn't ever beating that horse i'm pretty sure...and the contact wasn't severe enough to warrant a change, it didnt cost the 2 a placing......but it is mountaineer, so they're liable to do anything. When you blink there, at CT or Delta, you have to hold your breath no matter how minor the infraction and "Cost a placing" doesn't matter at these places, they DQ on a whim (and then the next day a similar incident will happen and they leave it alone).

[SG4]

So based on several of the DQ's this meet, it seems like Gulfstream is pretty much going with the "a foul is a foul" method of disqualifications, as opposed to the language we've seen from such places as Santa Anita where stewards admit to a foul but feel it didn't change order placement. Can't believe the DQ of the horse from 2nd to last today in GP's 3rd race. There was some interference, but it seemed slight & usually things earlier in the race are given some leeway. Nowhere did I think this was 5+ lengths worth of trouble created (the distance back to 3rd), and certainly not enough to be put dead last. Furthermore I could see if it was a rider's fault & they wanted to send a message, but the horse ducked out for whatever reason & he was corrected quickly. Either way it seems like the GP stewards are involved with more disagreeable calls then any other major circuit from what I've seen.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by SG4

So based on several of the DQ's this meet, it seems like Gulfstream is pretty much going with the "a foul is a foul" method of disqualifications, as opposed to the language we've seen from such places as Santa Anita where stewards admit to a foul but feel it didn't change order placement. Can't believe the DQ of the horse from 2nd to last today in GP's 3rd race. There was some interference, but it seemed slight & usually things earlier in the race are given some leeway. Nowhere did I think this was 5+ lengths worth of trouble created (the distance back to 3rd), and certainly not enough to be put dead last. Furthermore I could see if it was a rider's fault & they wanted to send a message, but the horse ducked out for whatever reason & he was corrected quickly. Either way it seems like the GP stewards are involved with more disagreeable calls then any other major circuit from what I've seen.

You (they) can create much less controversy by just paying the winners. They have established that the standard for a DQ is very weak, that they can DQ anything at a moments notice on a whim, is that what we want? A track that can just decide to not pay you because you didnt' maintain an exact straight line in a sport where maintaining an exact straight line is unreasonable?

[SG4]

Good article with some more detailed discussion about the steward's process posted on drf.com this afternoon:

http://www.drf.com/news/stewards%E2%...cy-explanation

Also, why does it seem whenever I try to find the head-on replay of a controversial call, this video is unavailable? Do other people find this as well? As if people weren't suspect enough of the calls already. I e-mailed some tracks for information on this (as I was advised to do by the replay providers) & was met with complete silence.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by SG4

Good article with some more detailed discussion about the steward's process posted on drf.com this afternoon:

http://www.drf.com/news/stewards%E2%...cy-explanation

Also, why does it seem whenever I try to find the head-on replay of a controversial call, this video is unavailable? Do other people find this as well? As if people weren't suspect enough of the calls already. I e-mailed some tracks for information on this (as I was advised to do by the replay providers) & was met with complete silence.

They don't need explanations if they just pay winners and make the race official. Its not rocket science, but they're making it out to be, they're making it much harder than it needs to be.

Judges think they're doing the right thing by policing the races with a "high standard" but a lot of the DQs that they're making are just DQs that happen within the normal course of a horse race. Its hard enough to win once, but when you have to essentially win twice in order to cash the ticket, that's a lot to have to worry about.

[Redhook206]

I had the #2 singled in a pick4. The #9 clearly drifts out three lanes in the stretch to move my #2 way out. I don't even get an objection from Saez. Unreal!!

[Redhook206]

The (favorite) never comes out of the gate. Never even moves. Inquiry sign is up for about 30 seconds. Inquiry sign comes down. No change. No explanation!!

Parx is suck a dump!