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horses4courses · 02-08-2015, 07:31 PM

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Donttellmeshowme · 02-08-2015, 08:37 PM

dont know if i like the idea of him going to Dubai.

Cratos · 02-08-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses

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This is a good decision for both horses and their connections.

CC is not regally bred and he is not from a "breeding state" even though he is the reigning HOTY I don't see big stud fees coming his way. Orb who won the Ky Derby last year and is better bred than CC have a stud fee of $25k; CC's stud fee when he goes to stud will be somewhere south of that figure.

Therefore it is incumbent for his connections to seek big purses and Dubai is a whopper at $10 million.

On the other hand, Shared Belief is a gelding and only 4yos; he can wait until 2016 while hopefully winning some significant purses at home.

horses4courses · 02-08-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

dont know if i like the idea of him going to Dubai.

They are picking the low lying fruit.
Can't blame them, really.
No Shared Belief this time, just BCC runner-up Toast Of New York.

The trip out there and the race should be fine.
It's how the horse recovers after it that's the question.

maclr11 · 02-08-2015, 11:29 PM

Someone on Twitter noted it didn't seem to hurt Curlin who came back to win the Foster, Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Royal Delta came back from Dubai in 2012 and rattled off 4 graded stakes wins In 5 races including the ladies classic

I can't wait for the World Cup. Going to be huge.

olddaddy · 02-08-2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses

They are picking the low lying fruit.
Can't blame them, really.
No Shared Belief this time, just BCC runner-up Toast Of New York.

I believe his worries will come from the far east pacific coast.

Rex Phinney · 02-09-2015, 12:24 AM

No way he wins in Dubai. No chance. His owners are seeing green, as in money. And we've all seen how this story ends. IMO he will never win another stakes race.

FantasticDan · 02-09-2015, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

dont know if i like the idea of him going to Dubai.

Sherman doesn't like it either:

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/On-T...erman-gets-it/

maclr11 · 02-09-2015, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

No way he wins in Dubai. No chance. His owners are seeing green, as in money. And we've all seen how this story ends. IMO he will never win another stakes race.

He is going to be the favorite for 10 million on a speed favoring dirt surface. How do you pass that up?

The field will be top notch though

California Chrome
Toast of New York
Tonalist
Candy Boy (already in Dubai training)
Constitution (under consideration after Donn win)
Ron the Greek
Hokko Tarumae (best Japanese dirt horse in training)
The local hopefuls. Surfer, Prince Bishop, Frankyfourfingers,
Lea is under consideration
Epiphaneia will be in here or the turf and he won the Japan Cup rather easily
Red Cadeaux could be back for more

The return to dirt has made this very very exciting

nijinski · 02-09-2015, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by maclr11

Someone on Twitter noted it didn't seem to hurt Curlin who came back to win the Foster, Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Royal Delta came back from Dubai in 2012 and rattled off 4 graded stakes wins In 5 races including the ladies classic

I can't wait for the World Cup. Going to be huge.

Curlin had two big wins and then time off .Had a prep race there before the Cup . He seemed to ne at the top of his game at the end of his three yr old
season and the beginning of age four .

Royal Delta's trips were not successful , guess she likes it better here ., lol.

Would Chrome even have time for a prep ? Totally different scenario for Chrome . I hope he stays home .

taxicab · 02-09-2015, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

No way he wins in Dubai. No chance. His owners are seeing green, as in money. And we've all seen how this story ends. IMO he will never win another stakes race.

Chrome will be the morning line favorite or second choice in the DWC.
He just ran a great race against Shared Belief,setting him up nicely for Dubai.
Plus he's a great shipper.
The owners should not be criticized for running for 10 million......that's exactly what they should do with a horse of this caliber.
And yeah, we all saw how this story ended in 2014.......HOY.

Frost king · 02-09-2015, 08:12 AM

Of course he will be the favourite, there is no betting allowed in Dubai. The North American money will drive the odds in the pools. As of right now Chrome is the biggest bet against in the race. He will be no value, with suspect form. Will you bet a horse, that has not won a dirt race since May, has a trainer not happy with the idea of flying to the desert. Would you take 2-1 or less on this horse?

Robert Fischer · 02-09-2015, 09:23 AM

I'll be following along with interest. These are both horses that I like, and both are popular horses with significance in the betting, and both races are usually pretty cool.

As far as these horses campaigns? - I honestly do not have enough insight to criticize (or praise) the stated goals. I'm obviously not a person that's hesitant to speak about racing topics, and I'm never shy about disagreeing with popular opinion. However, I simply don't know anything special about campaigning these horses. I'll just follow along with the news.

burnsy · 02-09-2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses

They are picking the low lying fruit.
Can't blame them, really.
No Shared Belief this time, just BCC runner-up Toast Of New York.

The trip out there and the race should be fine.
It's how the horse recovers after it that's the question.

It will be interesting, good luck to CC. But your point is the million dollar question. He will probably have to rest and repeat the same pattern as last year. Its a deal where I don't think he was 100% late in the season due to the lack of races before the BC Classic. The trainer (and Jock) even admitted that he was a race short coming into the Classic. Its hard to bypass a race like that but he will have to take time off after. To me, that horse seems to be better campaigning.

Rex Phinney · 02-09-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by taxicab

Chrome will be the morning line favorite or second choice in the DWC.
He just ran a great race against Shared Belief,setting him up nicely for Dubai.
Plus he's a great shipper.
The owners should not be criticized for running for 10 million......that's exactly what they should do with a horse of this caliber.
And yeah, we all saw how this story ended in 2014.......HOY.

I don't care if he is 1/9, that just means there are a bunch of people throwing their money away.

By the time this race goes off it will be 10 months since this horse won a race on dirt. Did his run Saturday make you think he wants more distance??? He was short in a 9 furlong race with no pace to it.

Did you see how it ended in Pennsylvania? The last time his owners decided to chase a big paycheck (and everyone with half a brain knew you don't bring a horse back from a layoff in that spot)? This horses career is going to end like Mine that Bird, with dingbat owners thinking his next derby score is just a race away.

The same partner that was holding out for a ransom check from Del Mar (publicly) is the one who has decided to send him to Dubai. This isn't even a decision they should be making until the horse gets a work in after his previous race. Their trainer knows it, but the probably quit listening to him long ago.