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View Poll Results: What Caused the Handle to Drop on Opening Day at Santa Anita?
The Unofficial Boycott Was the Primary Reason for the decline in handle. 34 47.22%
The Weather was the reason. 18 25.00%
The uncertainty of the new surfaces was the reason. 20 27.78%
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:33 PM   #31
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Short fields on Wednesday and Thursday.

Not going to be a good start any way you slice it.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:33 PM   #32
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u have the first monday compare handy?
$5,659,163 for the 8 race card.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:36 PM   #33
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$5,659,163 for the 8 race card.
So down another 10% to 15% depending on how you want to adjust for the extra race. Interesting. And today had two stakes races vs none the first Monday a yr ago.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:38 PM   #34
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I didn't play SA.

I wanted to see how the track played, so I watched the replays of opening day today.

Two records set. I felt I was watching Turf Paradise.

Four reasons for lower handle in my opinion.

1) Boycott

2) One fewer race than last year.

3) The turf races taken off.

4) Betters bet somewhat cautiously because not knowing how new surface would play.

I will continue my boycott until they get the message.

CHRB to me
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:39 PM   #35
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So down another 10% to 15% depending on how you want to adjust for the extra race. Interesting. And today had two stakes races vs none the first Monday a yr ago.
I have a feeling it is only going to get worse.
The sad part is that knowing what they know right now, the same people would still vote for the takeout increase.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:43 PM   #36
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I have a feeling it is only going to get worse.
The sad part is that knowing what they know right now, the same people would still vote for the takeout increase.
Well as someone pointed out, they certainly aren't going to reverse their decision based on two days of numbers. The sign of good manager is one who is willing to admit a mistake and fix it, though. I do believe the surface switch, while very positive in the intermediate to long term, isn't helping them in the short term.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:46 PM   #37
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It's going to come down to Horseplayer backlash over higher takeout and short fields. You can have high takeout and short fields. The only thing that was saving them besides TVG and HRTV being based in California is that they had low takeout.
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:10 PM   #38
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It's going to come down to Horseplayer backlash over higher takeout and short fields. You can have high takeout and short fields. The only thing that was saving them besides TVG and HRTV being based in California is that they had low takeout.
Should read CAN'T.
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Should read CAN'T.

That's what I thought.

Caroline over at PR was asking when are the 4 day racing weeks
set to begin at Santa Anita?

My question: would that sked apply to Golden Gate also?
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That's what I thought.

Caroline over at PR was asking when are the 4 day racing weeks
set to begin at Santa Anita?

My question: would that sked apply to Golden Gate also?
Probably.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:01 AM   #41
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To paraphrase a U.S. president: "It's the takeout, stupid."
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:45 AM   #42
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I have a feeling it is only going to get worse.
The sad part is that knowing what they know right now, the same people would still vote for the takeout increase.

Be careful, if they are down too much, the dynamic comedy team (Brackpool and Israel) will call for a higher take out ,or...I got it, an ENTERTAINMENT TAX!!
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:25 AM   #43
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http://www.horseraceinsider.com/west...t-santa-anita/

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The crowd might have been higher than the last time Santa Anita opened on a Sunday, but the on-track handle was off by 15% from last year (when they ran one more race), and overall betting dropped 23%. There were snowstorms in the East, even blizzard conditions some places, which no doubt kept many horseplayers hard by their hearths, but this is the meet when takeout is taking a quantum leap, starting January 1. Purses are supposed to rise, but if handle is eviscerated, the whole exercise could be counter-productive.
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Purses are supposed to rise, but if handle is eviscerated,
the whole exercise could be counter-productive.

In other words, the fools will be exposed.
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The crowd might have been higher than the last time Santa Anita opened on a Sunday, but the on-track handle was off by 15% from last year (when they ran one more race), and overall betting dropped 23%. There were snowstorms in the East, even blizzard conditions some places, which no doubt kept many horseplayers hard by their hearths, but this is the meet when takeout is taking a quantum leap, starting January 1. Purses are supposed to rise, but if handle is eviscerated, the whole exercise could be counter-productive.
The blizzard is a partial reason, but remember SA was blacked out essentially from Boston to Virginia last year, with the big exception being New York. Now in Anderson's DRF piece SA exec said handle was tracking close to last year, then plunged for the Sir Beaufort and thereafter. For this they blamed the blizzard. Now that to me makes little sense. The blizzard started here midday and was in full swing by SA's first post. I really don't think anyone here was waiting for 5-6pm to get out of dodge. I don't have a fact-based explanation for this, but maybe the stakes races took the brunt because players more inclined to boycott would have mainly played the big races.
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