Democrat Presidential Nominee

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Republic simply means instead of direct vote you elect representatives to enact laws/policies on your behalf.

Civics fail.

In our particular case when it comes to selecting President a vote in Wyoming is worth more than your vote in New Hampshire.

In America we have institutions that are highly Democratic (House) and others that aren't (Senate)... being a Republic means nothing when it comes to needing a "electoral college."

It sure does, it means talk is cheep and changing the electoral college just because ultra liberals want California to be worth more is never going to happen. Thank the republic for which it stands.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

It sure does, it means talk is cheep and changing the electoral college just because ultra liberals want California to be worth more is never going to happen. Thank the republic for which it stands.

California isn't "worth" anything if you get rid of the electoral college.

You just want a voter's vote in California to count less than yours.

Thanks for making my point.

Run along.

[fast4522]

Plan on being here long after you stop posting.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Absolutely everything in this post is irrelevant, incoherent, or both...

You should be as irrelevant and incoherent as I am. Instead you constantly prove to us your ignorance whenever you post and you've become a laughingstock on your best day.

You'll never get over the fact that you lack the brain power and communication skills required to hold a conversation or win a debate.

And I outed you on all this over three years ago!! Reality is one tough b-tch for the clowns of the world. You don't have the goods nor the skills.

Recess over. Go back to the playpen with the other children where you belong.

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by reckless

You should be as irrelevant and incoherent as I am. Instead you constantly prove to us your ignorance whenever you post and you've become a laughingstock on your best day.

You'll never get over the fact that you lack the brain power and communication skills required to hold a conversation or win a debate.

And I outed you on all this over three years ago!! Reality is one tough b-tch for the clowns of the world. You don't have the goods nor the skills.

Recess over. Go back to the playpen with the other children where you belong.

How many times are you going to repeat this same thing over and over again? It’s like you’re trying to convince yourself.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by reckless

Why should a vote in California, New York and Illinois be worth more than the vote of the other '54' states?

Right now with the EC a voter in wyoming is worth 3 in california.


you argument doesn't hold water. every vote will be equal eliminating the

EC.


Allan

[RunForTheRoses]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Right now with the EC a voter in wyoming is worth 3 in california.


you argument doesn't hold water. every vote will be equal eliminating the

EC.


Allan

So your reasoning is F the individual states, we are one big federation? And just by coincidence it serves your left wing views.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses

So your reasoning is F the individual states, we are one big federation? And just by coincidence it serves your left wing views.

It's left wing to want an election decided by counting each vote and giving victory to the candidate with the most votes?

A vote in Wyoming is equivalent to a vote in California. One man, one vote and everybody gets to play. What would be unfair is if a candidate who wins California by one vote gets all the electoral votes. Just because it was jolly for Trump to have won the electoral college, it doesn't mean that it was a better system than giving the office to the one that had the most votes.

[RunForTheRoses]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

It's left wing to want an election decided by counting each vote and giving victory to the candidate with the most votes?

A vote in Wyoming is equivalent to a vote in California. One man, one vote and everybody gets to play. What would be unfair is if a candidate who wins California by one vote gets all the electoral votes. Just because it was jolly for Trump to have won the electoral college, it doesn't mean that it was a better system than giving the office to the one that had the most votes.

So, by implication, the Founding Fathers, and the country over the succesive 200 plus years, was right wing?

[davew]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Right now with the EC a voter in wyoming is worth 3 in california.


you argument doesn't hold water. every vote will be equal eliminating the

EC.


Allan

The EC numbers change every census. The census should be US citizens, not visitors. Voters should be US citizens, not visitors or dead people.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...llocation.html

[reckless]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

How many times are you going to repeat this same thing over and over again? It’s like you’re trying to convince yourself.

Convince myself ???

You are now sounding delusional, just like your alter-ego, elysian.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Right now with the EC a voter in wyoming is worth 3 in california.


you argument doesn't hold water. every vote will be equal eliminating the EC.


Allan

Some political pundits claim that Hillary! lost in 2016 because she didn't campaign much in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania because these were traditional true blue Democrats states that she took for granted that she'd win.

Now, do you really think if the Electoral College goes poof and we choose the presidency solely on the popular vote that candidates will not bypass the Wyomings and Wisconsins to concentrate on the 5-6 largest states in the country? Of course they will.

And guess what parties rule these states who are pushing for unfettered illegal immigration (and future Democrat voters); life long criminals to vote; want the voting age lowered so 16 year high schoolers could vote; have no voter ID laws; are for sanctuary cities, free health care, pot for all, in addition to ridding the USA of the Electoral College ... the same 5-6 states that usually vote Democrat in big numbers.

If Democrats think that this is what the country really wants, pass legislation to rid the Electoral College in both chambers of Congress and then get 2-3rds of the 50 states to go along for the final OK, and that's that. Pure and simple. That's really the democratic and the American way.

Of course, the Democrats try that because they will fail if they try. In time, they will take over and end this once great country for good, but not now.

[elysiantraveller]

The problem with a lot of posters arguing in favor of the electoral college right now is they aren't getting the point.

I don't care about past results or even wish to re-litigate them.

The fact is the EC, if we're all being honest here, is pretty undemocratic and a national popular vote or something like Tom suggested makes a lot more sense.

Any argument to the contrary is absurd.

A Wyoming voter's vote is worth 1.5x that of Fast in NH, 3x that of California, etc. etc.

Plus nobody looks at how changing the rules would change how the populace votes... if suddenly your vote actually counted for something; A Republican in California or a Democrat in Mississippi might actually show up at the polls who otherwise wouldn't.

[delayjf]

pretty simple.

No doubt this would be challenged in the SC.

Since the voters in CA elect 55 electoral votes and Wyoming voters only elect 3, from and electoral perspective - CA votes count much more than Wyoming.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by delayjf

No doubt this would be challenged in the SC.

Since the voters in CA elect 55 electoral votes and Wyoming voters only elect 3, from and electoral perspective - CA votes count much more than Wyoming.

Actually, if you base electoral votes on just population, CA comes in at just under 40 million and WY comes in at just under 600,000. The ratio is approx. 66 to 1, thus CA is underrepresented vs WY in electoral votes.