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Old 04-26-2011, 01:57 PM   #16
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The old fashioned way - cut costs, improve efficiency, reward suggestions and incentive....you know, all that stuff unions frown upon.
USPS had what we called a 250. A $250 dollar reward for employees who made suggestions resulting in greater productivity or money saving. No one in my union frowned upon that.

You had to submit your idea formally and the savings had to be confirmed before you got the award. Incentives are not limited to the private sector.
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Private means profit trumps service.
Public means service and no question of profit.
You're getting nuttier by the day.
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:06 PM   #18
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The old fashioned way - cut costs, improve efficiency, reward suggestions and incentive....you know, all that stuff unions frown upon.
Is it not true that if you work for Dow or Dupont or one of the drug companies and are responsible for a breakthrough, that is considered the property of the company? your reward is that they continue to pay you a salary. Occasionally you will get a flat rate bonus which is equal to an infinitesimal percentage of the companies profit on the breakthrough.
Incentives? Seriously?
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:25 PM   #19
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That is total BS.
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You're getting nuttier by the day.
Is it?
Am I?

It used to be you could call a company and speak to a person who would hear your complaint and work to fix it. An American person whom you could understand. Now, before you even talk to a person you have to deal with a robot who can't understand you. After all that you are lucky if you reach someone you can communicate with, luckier still if that person is knowledgeable about the product he represents and really lucky if he gives a care.
All this so the company can maximize its profits.
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:33 PM   #20
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It used to be you could call a company and speak to a person who would hear your complaint and work to fix it. An American person whom you could understand. Now, before you even talk to a person you have to deal with a robot who can't understand you. After all that you are lucky if you reach someone you can communicate with, luckier still if that person is knowledgeable about the product he represents and really lucky if he gives a care. All this so the company can maximize its profits.
Ever try to call a Government office? That's always a treat.

Their excuse isn't profits. It's stone cold ineptitude.
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:48 PM   #21
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I think it's a sign of how badly wrong society has gone that this sort of thing would even be considered.

It's ludicrous beyond words. What are they going to do if an unprofitable fire comes along? Let it burn?
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:45 PM   #22
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Some of you guys keep posting about "unprofitable" fires.....
Can you please provide a link???
How do some of you come up with this??
I would imagine it would be something along the lines of every household would have to pay a fee for fire protection either monthly, yearly, etc etc.
Pay the fee, you have services...dont pay it, you dont have services....
Not sure, but remember the home that was left to burn in like Tennesee (I believe)??? Was that department private?? I dont recall off the top....
But its relatively simple, it would be a pay for service provider I would imagine.
Now before you guys get all crazy about pay for services.....dont ya pay for cell phone service???
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:46 PM   #23
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Let It Burn Until

it turns profitable. "This puppy is now raging, O.K you two get dressed."
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:56 PM   #24
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it turns profitable. "This puppy is now raging, O.K you two get dressed."
You guys are way off base......and I am not just talking democratic base lol.
Outside of insurance (which the property owner is entitled too), show me a fire where the FIRE DEPARTMENT was profitable in its service of extinguishing it.

And as the OP, you seem relatively quiet on this subject considering you started it.

Do you guys really believe that firemen and women risk their lives fighting these fires to save lives for a PROFIT?? Most of the fire personel that I know..(and its quite a few thank you), do it for WHAT THEY DO. Money is the last concern when they enter a burning structure.

The profit side of it, is for equipment and the tools of the trade.
Some of you are trying to take this to a whole other level......Don't worry mosty, we know when the word profit is involved, you are 100% against it.
Try telling us where all those tax dollars go though.......seems politicians in government are making HUGE profits (look at Charlie Rangel) but I have yet to see you bust his chops....lol
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If your truly interested judge...which I highly doubt...here is a nice ,although lengthy report.......

http://reason.org/files/c2bbfe415ecc...f7c8a20585.pdf
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Of Course The Fire Fighters

would fight the fires. But, if its private and for profit what then? How many firefighters would there be to fight those fires and who are they? Will they have the same dedication as the firefighter now? Same pay, same hours,same vacation, same pensions? No those will be cut, But, don't worry they will have the same dedication as now? Are you sure? Money matters.

Most people never have a fire or never been in a fire what's being paid for is a certain peace of mind. "If " there is a fire the fire dept. will show up and put it out. Whether or not my neighbors bill has been paid and its his house.

They are fire fighters not accountants? Your bill hasn't been paid. "Yes it has'', here is the receipt, not only that look I paid it by credit card see right there on the 15th under Target.

As for as the OP goes I assume Privatization means making money by cutting something or giving something cant' imagine what the fire department would have to give other then the service they already provide? So I guess they are going to cut something as already pointed out.
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You Are Right

I am not about to read that "report" but I am sure it supports your position and is by a group that has not ax to grind they just felt like writing a report.

Tell you what you posted read it and tell us what it says.
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Old 04-26-2011, 05:53 PM   #28
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Private means profit trumps service.
Public means service and no question of profit.
you're just jabbing with a stick again, aren't you? you can't really believe that..i could take it apart, but too many words makes me sleepy..

and your later comment about complaints..took my car to casino yesterday for free monthly car wash..4 1/2 hours later..not done..called the executive offices and filed complaint..they were waiting for me this morning..done in 45 mins..its who you complain to not how..calmness and logic always wins..
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would fight the fires. But, if its private and for profit what then? How many firefighters would there be to fight those fires and who are they? Will they have the same dedication as the firefighter now? Same pay, same hours,same vacation, same pensions? No those will be cut, But, don't worry they will have the same dedication as now? Are you sure? Money matters.
Money doesn't buy dedication either. In many places we can't afford the pay and benefits that they have now. What then I ask you? you give the answer.

Where did this idea come from that says that private workers aren't as dedicated or motivated as government workers? In many communities they can't afford a fire department so they go the volunteer route. that means private with little or no pay. Are you telling me that volunteer fire workers are not motivated or dedicated?

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So I guess for even better service from the government, we should be paying them even more. How about we up their pensions, give them free health care, and guaranteed 10% wage increases every year. Imagine then how fast and dedicated those workers would be? In general I guess what people are saying is that we should have no limitation on what we spend for public services. its always better to pay as much as possible, and then more. Is that the idea?
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