Harvard Study on Police Shootings and Race

[Dave Schwartz]

http://tribunist.com/news/harvard-st...utm_source=CDH

Harvard Study on Police Shootings and Race Offers Shocking Conclusion

If you ever need an argument settled, once and for all, just ask a Harvard professor to conduct a study. They do it right. And, to their credit, they report on the results–even when those results don’t support their own agendas. Check out the bomb they’ve just dropped on Black Lives Matter and all of the armchair pundits.

[chadk66]

this doesn't surprise me a bit. it'll be very interesting to see how the left spins this. that is if they don't completely ignore it altogether.

[PaceAdvantage]

This is an old story...from 2016...

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This is an old story...from 2016...

Missed that. Has it already been discussed?

(I thought it sounded familiar.)

[Parkview_Pirate]

One way to "spin" these studies, is always checking the raw data and go from there.

Fryer’s conclusions aren’t the only ones challenging the racist cop narrative. The Washington Post studied shooting deaths by law enforcement officials in 2015. 494 white suspects were killed. That number is almost double the number of black suspects killed: 258.

Based on just those numbers, one can easily spin that blacks are still overrepresented, as they comprise 13.3% of the population (versus whites at 76.9%). Based on that ratio and if race were the ONLY factor, one could expect 131 black suspects killed instead of almost twice that number.

Obviously other factors like class, circumstances, time of day and location come into play.

And as a side note, I would hardly describe Harvard studies as "doing it right". Like all other parties, they have their agenda....

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

One way to "spin" these studies, is always checking the raw data and go from there.



Based on just those numbers, one can easily spin that blacks are still overrepresented, as they comprise 13.3% of the population (versus whites at 76.9%). Based on that ratio and if race were the ONLY factor, one could expect 131 black suspects killed instead of almost twice that number.

Obviously other factors like class, circumstances, time of day and location come into play.

And as a side note, I would hardly describe Harvard studies as "doing it right". Like all other parties, they have their agenda....

You obviously have more sense than the Harvard professor who conducted this "earth-shattering" study.

Luckily...my kid is going to YALE.

[Tom]

At a basketball game, a student from Yale starts to walk out of the Men's room without washing his hands.

Another student at the sink say to him, "We, from Harvard, never leave the privy without washing our hands!"

The Yale student replied, "We, from Yale, never piss on our fingers!"

[MONEY]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

One way to "spin" these studies, is always checking the raw data and go from there.



Based on just those numbers, one can easily spin that blacks are still overrepresented, as they comprise 13.3% of the population (versus whites at 76.9%). Based on that ratio and if race were the ONLY factor, one could expect 131 black suspects killed instead of almost twice that number.

Obviously other factors like class, circumstances, time of day and location come into play.

And as a side note, I would hardly describe Harvard studies as "doing it right". Like all other parties, they have their agenda....

Neither the Harvard Study or your population percentage based numbers tell the truth.
A proper result should be based on the amount of assaults/homicides committed by each group.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by MONEY

Neither the Harvard Study or your population percentage based numbers tell the truth.
A proper result should be based on the amount of assaults/homicides committed by each group.

He mentioned that "obviously other factors come into play".

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

One way to "spin" these studies, is always checking the raw data and go from there.



Based on just those numbers, one can easily spin that blacks are still overrepresented, as they comprise 13.3% of the population (versus whites at 76.9%). Based on that ratio and if race were the ONLY factor, one could expect 131 black suspects killed instead of almost twice that number.

Obviously other factors like class, circumstances, time of day and location come into play.

And as a side note, I would hardly describe Harvard studies as "doing it right". Like all other parties, they have their agenda....

I think blacks represent more than 13% of the population where they took these numbers from.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by chadk66

I think blacks represent more than 13% of the population where they took these numbers from.

The article says that the survey was conducted using data from California, Florida and Texas. Florida's black population is 18%, while Texas and California have black populations of 13% and 8% respectively (using 2014 stats). That takes us exactly to the 13% national average. What prompted you to say that the black percentages were higher in this survey?

[Inner Dirt]

The percentage of blacks in the population is immaterial in a study of police shootings as they commit a disproportionately high amount of violent crimes compared to their percentage of the population. Pretty sure committing violent crimes is high on the list of increasing your likelihood of having a possible lethal encounter with police.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The article says that the survey was conducted using data from California, Florida and Texas. Florida's black population is 18%, while Texas and California have black populations of 13% and 8% respectively (using 2014 stats). That takes us exactly to the 13% national average. What prompted you to say that the black percentages were higher in this survey?

I didn't read it very close I understood these were stats from big cities where blacks make up a much larger percentage. So did the number of blacks being shot go up 5% in Florida?

[chadk66]

I can say with confidence that once you put a cop in a position where he feels compelled to shoot you, he isn't taking the time to decide what race you are and whether or not he should shoot you because your black. He's just saving his and others asses at that point. The color of some dudes skin is the furthest thing from their mind.

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by MONEY

Neither the Harvard Study or your population percentage based numbers tell the truth.
A proper result should be based on the amount of assaults/homicides committed by each group.

I simply pointed out one way to "spin" the data, where erroneous conclusions can be drawn. This, of course, is often done intentionally.

As for the "amount of assaults/homicides committed by each group" being a more proper approach, that seems like a different topic than the profiles of people fatally shot by police, which of course would also include other crimes like theft, rape and kidnapping.

Who's committing violent crimes (a much larger group) is not the issue as the proper use of deadly force by police.