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10-30-2022, 05:29 PM
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Race after race, 4-5 speed horses, and they let 1 go, and go slow
it's getting so stupid.
those other speed horses have no shot to win, unless they get on the pace, and they just let the leader gallop around the track.
it is cheating, and it's getting worse and worse. Where are the trainers and owners??
even andy is getting tired of if it on the NYRA tv show. He's super frustrated and i dont blame him.
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10-30-2022, 08:06 PM
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What about those races with one lone speed and four other jockeys send. Tampa Bay comes to mind...
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10-30-2022, 08:59 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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The last time NY had a fast pace, the horse was moving like a tremendous machine. 
I noticed at KEE this fall, many riders were actually being riden instead of herded or choked. I was dumb-founded!
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10-31-2022, 09:48 AM
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I often throw pace capping out the window when short fields exist. Certain riders seem to take advantage. Mike Smith used to be the master. Lately, if Luis Saez or Joel Rosario is up then I give those more attention. I've noticed these races are money pits for those playing straight chalk. They look "easy" on paper then the paper pace scenario doesn't pan out. The gimmicks at times pay relatively well since the chalk often gets beat or an 8-1 type hits the place or show position. Often, some bomber fills the super.
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10-31-2022, 04:22 PM
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There's a lot of "head scratchers" if you look into the races at 9F on the inner track. The colony averaged 50.01 seconds to the half... which typically allowed random horses walking on the front end to chew bubble gum and walk home with ease. If I owned horses or was a trainer I'd specifically enter rabbits for these 9F races. They're just not being run honestly.
New York breds are being sent harder than those entered in graded stakes.
At 9 Furlongs they're going slower to the half than races run at both 11 and 12 furlongs. I think it's foolish to not enter rabbits at this point.
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10-31-2022, 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f2tornado
I often throw pace capping out the window when short fields exist.
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The field size matters a LOT to how the pace is going to develop.
The riders want to get good position, but they don't want to use their horse excessively to get it.
In a small field they can sit almost anywhere and be close enough to the lead to be in a good position by the top of the stretch if they have the best horse. In a large field, even if they don't have a speed horse they often have to use their horse to get somewhere in the first flight or middle and that forces the speed horses to be used even harder to get the lead.
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10-31-2022, 09:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
The last time NY had a fast pace, the horse was moving like a tremendous machine.
I noticed at KEE this fall, many riders were actually being riden instead of herded or choked. I was dumb-founded! |
a lot of that may have had to do at the track......
of course reading up sounds like Aqu had a front end bias this meet as well so maybe not.
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10-31-2022, 09:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
a lot of that may have had to do at the track......
of course reading up sounds like Aqu had a front end bias this meet as well so maybe not.
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It did?
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10-31-2022, 10:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy
It did?
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just saw some quote from the morning line maker, think its david aragona, say "looks like a another day you have to be on the front to win", so not having watched a race this meet but playing the empire card I thought it was something frequent, thus the term "reading up".
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10-31-2022, 10:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
just saw some quote from the morning line maker, think its david aragona, say "looks like a another day you have to be on the front to win", so not having watched a race this meet but playing the empire card I thought it was something frequent, thus the term "reading up".
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Another day doesn't imply the whole meet. It's been pretty fair. This past week speed has done well.
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11-01-2022, 08:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
just saw some quote from the morning line maker, think its david aragona, say "looks like a another day you have to be on the front to win", so not having watched a race this meet but playing the empire card I thought it was something frequent, thus the term "reading up".
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Here's some more "reading up" material for all NYRA players  :
https://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/racing/track-trends
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Past performances are no guarantee of future results. - Why isn't this disclaimer printed in the Daily Racing Form?
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11-01-2022, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BarchCapper
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thats pretty cool, did not know that existed
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11-01-2022, 04:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
thats pretty cool, did not know that existed
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The NYRA website is chock full of interesting information!
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Past performances are no guarantee of future results. - Why isn't this disclaimer printed in the Daily Racing Form?
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11-01-2022, 04:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
thats pretty cool, did not know that existed
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I've been doing it for close to six years.
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11-01-2022, 05:37 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Those track trends comments are INVALUABLE.
The notes on the anti-inside bias on one of the tirf course in the spring got me more than a couple of nice winners. I like that he is honest in his evaluations, comments like "Inside may have been good, but keep an eye on it." or something to that effect.
The NYRA websit ehas a plethora of good and free information like TTs.
If you never seen their Trakus charts, they list each horse's final quarter, no matter the race distance. Excellent!
The perfect storm to find a winner:
1.TTs say the horse no chamce last time
2. Horse has good CJ figures in other races
3. Maggie, or Acacia, or Ritchie think it looks good in the paddock
4. Anthony hates it!
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