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10-26-2022, 12:01 AM
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The actual distance will NOT be 1 mile and 70 yards.
The actual distance of the race, which is the timed portion of the race, will be one mile. The untimed portion of the race will be 210 feet.
In 2021 at Del Mar, the untimed portion of the race was 200 feet so there is virtually no difference.
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You're highlighting the exact reason why "run-ups" are unnecessarily confusing and dumb to handicappers, fans, and the general public.
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10-26-2022, 07:04 PM
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You're highlighting the exact reason why "run-ups" are unnecessarily confusing and dumb to handicappers, fans, and the general public.
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Yeah - I understand the reason for run-ups when it relates to having to move around the starting gate to avoid wearing in something. But 70 yards?
Research suggests this run-up issue been around for a while - anyone want to estimate the run up to this Dr. Fager world record at a mile? Doesn't look anywhere close to 210 feet to me, but I'll defer to more expert views here.
One of my all time favorites.
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10-30-2022, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by VeryOldMan
Yeah - I understand the reason for run-ups when it relates to having to move around the starting gate to avoid wearing in something. But 70 yards?
Research suggests this run-up issue been around for a while - anyone want to estimate the run up to this Dr. Fager world record at a mile? Doesn't look anywhere close to 210 feet to me, but I'll defer to more expert views here.
One of my all time favorites.
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All I know is that I wish I could teleport myself back in time to see Dr. Fager run. 
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10-30-2022, 04:49 AM
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I'm sure this has been asked before: if a horse has a timed work from the gate, is a run up included?
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10-31-2022, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VeryOldMan
Yeah - I understand the reason for run-ups when it relates to having to move around the starting gate to avoid wearing in something. But 70 yards?
Research suggests this run-up issue been around for a while - anyone want to estimate the run up to this Dr. Fager world record at a mile? Doesn't look anywhere close to 210 feet to me, but I'll defer to more expert views here.
One of my all time favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wVBNbmcaAE |
Video is tough and 1:32 and 1 could be anywhere from 92.20 to 92.39, but a rough estimate of the run up is about 55 feet, give or take five feet.
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10-31-2022, 06:10 PM
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Remember, we should acknowledge the corporate sponsors who do so much for the sport of horse racing by including the full name of the sponsor when referring to the race.
This principle is especially important when it comes to the Big Ass Fans Breeders Cup Dirt Mile.
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10-31-2022, 06:33 PM
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Hear, here!
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10-31-2022, 07:22 PM
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Hear, here!
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That's not Dr. Fager!
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10-31-2022, 09:04 PM
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It's like those steps are from MC Escher. I'm good with that. Hope she takes her time.
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11-01-2022, 06:54 PM
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I think you can make a pretty good case that this was a year where at least Gunite probably belonged in the Sprint instead of the Mile. Cody's Wish is a little more marginal because he's really more of a miler that cut back to 7F last time.
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11-03-2022, 02:18 PM
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I'm leaning to Baffert in this race. Does anyone know Baffert's record in Kentucky since all the controversy and suspension?
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11-03-2022, 02:24 PM
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Believe he just had 2 runners in his name in the Breeders' Futurity at Keeneland this fall. Both unplaced. I'm with you with his runner in the Dirt Mile.
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11-03-2022, 06:55 PM
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A couple of silly opinions of mine regarding this race:
The one turn vs two turn mile thing may mean nothing, but Cody's Wish (perfect at the 1m distance) is winless in two starts around two turns. However, as Andy Beyer said, "a mile is a mile".
Senor Buscador seems like a nice one turn closer (he's 3-4 in one turn races), and he should get a good pace to run at.
Can Cyberknife beat this group? He's been facing the best of his class all year, having finished ahead of Taiba, Jack Christopher & Zandon. This distance and set up seems like it will fit him well.
My top choice is Laurel River because he likes the distance and I think he's the fastest runner in the field. He has a versatile running style and Irad in the irons. Something tells me Baffert is coming in with a chip on his shoulder, and he's looking to run riot this weekend. He's a serious threat to win 3-4 races this weekend.
Taiba, anyone? 
Lastly, I don't get the hype that I'm hearing about Simplification. Sure, he projects to get a beauty trip inside and just off what should be a contested & quick pace, but he's been a disappointment ever since he left Gulfstream in the spring...yeah, he ran well in the Derby, but that race can be more of a trip/situation race rather than a true test of one's ability. I just don't think he's good enough to win this Gr1 race. I smell an underlaid price on him too - I'll pass.
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11-03-2022, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
A couple of silly opinions of mine regarding this race:
The one turn vs two turn mile thing may mean nothing, but Cody's Wish (perfect at the 1m distance) is winless in two starts around two turns. However, as Andy Beyer said, "a mile is a mile".
Senor Buscador seems like a nice one turn closer (he's 3-4 in one turn races), and he should get a good pace to run at.
Can Cyberknife beat this group? He's been facing the best of his class all year, having finished ahead of Taiba, Jack Christopher & Zandon. This distance and set up seems like it will fit him well.
My top choice is Laurel River because he likes the distance and I think he's the fastest runner in the field. He has a versatile running style and Irad in the irons. Something tells me Baffert is coming in with a chip on his shoulder, and he's looking to run riot this weekend. He's a serious threat to win 3-4 races this weekend.
Taiba, anyone?
Lastly, I don't get the hype that I'm hearing about Simplification. Sure, he projects to get a beauty trip inside and just off what should be a contested & quick pace, but he's been a disappointment ever since he left Gulfstream in the spring...yeah, he ran well in the Derby, but that race can be more of a trip/situation race rather than a true test of one's ability. I just don't think he's good enough to win this Gr1 race. I smell an underlaid price on him too - I'll pass. |
Recent history has shown you need to be forward in this race, and 3YOs have done well here.     are really my only considerations for a W here and I simply don't see Cyberknife in the mix at all.
Laurel River is the must include on horizontals. Baffert, crazy works, lightly raced, and has potential freak effort looming.
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11-03-2022, 10:22 PM
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I do like the Baffert horse and I think 9/2 is probably wishful thinking, I could see that horse favorite even.
I have questions about Codys Wish and Gunite, while I like both of them may want this type of field around 2 turns. Cybernife can win but he might also be 15 out of it, and closing has not been easy at this track.
How about Simplification to trip out behind the speed at 15/1 on the slight cutback?
Hard to take a short price on such a competitive field.
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